Dialogue ID: t3_2375b2

Corpus: Winning Arguments (ChangeMyView) Corpus

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WMN sequences (3):

WMN ID: t3_2375b2_t1_cgu4eyy

Context: Online interaction

WMN Type: Non-pursued

WMN Meaning: no WMN

Trigger words: must

Indicator sentences: I don't understand what you mean by "must" here.

WMN ID: t3_2375b2_t1_cgu6qn4

Context: Online interaction

WMN Type: WMN: non-understanding

WMN Meaning: situated meaning

Trigger words: must

Indicator sentences: By "must" do you mean legally? Because that's simply not true. A contract provision that requires illegal acts is unenforceable. The laws of the state/country trump contract law any day. Can you point to a recent case in which people were successfully sued for failing to break the law? Do you mean ethically "must"? That would necessitate a situation where fiduciary duty is elevated beyond all other ethical duties. I'd be interested to see an argument for that, and I'd be really impressed with an argument that everyone must subscribe to an ethical system where that's true. If you mean "Will tend to" then sure, but that's very different from the strong wording of your OP.

Negotiation parts: ***Must***, as in "according to the business model, are *incentivized* and *compelled* to break the law, when the cost/benefit analysis shows it to maximize shareholder value". Incentivized? Clearly. Compelled? They aren't forced to act in that way.

WMN ID: t3_2375b2_t1_cgu8bo7

Context: Online interaction

WMN Type: WMN: non-understanding

WMN Meaning: situated meaning

Trigger words: must

Indicator sentences: Assuming that this is true, the word "must" doesn't really play into it. I guess I don't know what you mean by "must". What are the properties of this obligation?

Negotiation parts: As I said in another response, "must", as in..."are compelled and incentivized, per the business model and fiduciary duty, to maximize shareholder value, whatever it takes." Well, yeah.