Dialogue ID: t3_2d8gej

Corpus: Winning Arguments (ChangeMyView) Corpus

URL: https://convokit.cornell.edu/documentation/winning.html

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WMN sequences (1):

WMN ID: t3_2d8gej_t1_cjntkzh

Context: Online interaction

WMN Type: WMN: disagreement

WMN Meaning: situated meaning

Trigger words: success

Indicator sentences: What do you mean by "success"? Reproducing as much as possible?

Negotiation parts: Because that's the biological definition. This is evidently a terrible definition. It is in no way moral to force people to have children, just for the "success of the species". A better definition is "success" means reducing pain and increasing happiness. Technology throughout the ages has done this for us, and we commonly regard technological advances as a "success". Automation saves us the pain of hard labour and gives us free time for the pleasures of philosophy and reading and so on. What I'm proposing would be the final step of technology. Removing ALL suffering. With everyone plugged into the machine, everyone would experience the maximum happiness possible. Suffering would be a thing of the past. Reproducing as much as possible doesn't lead to success necessarily. That's merely one tactic species use to achieve success. "Success" means exactly what evolution says it means. Survival over the long term with adaptability to varying environmental conditions. Long term genetic prevalence. BTW, your "experience machine" had better account somehow for reproduction and successful raising of progeny, because otherwise your lovely happiness will last exactly 1 generation.