Dialogue ID: t3_2nu3l8

Corpus: Winning Arguments (ChangeMyView) Corpus

URL: https://convokit.cornell.edu/documentation/winning.html

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WMN sequences (2):

WMN ID: t3_2nu3l8_t1_cmh5q31

Context: Online interaction

WMN Type: WMN: disagreement

WMN Meaning: potential meaning

Trigger words: patriotism (4)

Indicator sentences: Well what is patriotism then ?!

Negotiation parts: Love of country. Love of one thing doesn't imply or lead to hatred of another. Nor does it require that you be vocal about it. Ok. I'm from eastern europe, so my view is clearly biased here, because the concept of "love of country" seems unnatural to me. Fair enough, but that's the [dictionary definition](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/patriotism) of patriotism. Thinking it's weird is different than thinking it leads to negative feelings.

WMN ID: t3_2nu3l8_t1_cmh5x4o

Context: Online interaction

WMN Type: WMN: disagreement

WMN Meaning: situated meaning

Trigger words: proud

Indicator sentences: how are you proud ?! It wasn't a choice, and not an achievement. Is that "pride" ? Or "normal" ?

Negotiation parts: I am as proud of being a man as I am of being a member of my family. I didn't choose to be a **[SURNAME REDACTED]** either, but I am one. My name was given to me by my father who got it from his, going back centuries (my name means smith). Being a man gives me certain traits. I'm bigger than my girlfriend, so I carry heavy things. I've been raised by a society who doesn't give one tiny shit about men, so I am strong enough to carry not only my burdens, but the burdens of my loved ones. Whether it's the courage to be the one to kill that spider, or the empathy to be the one who secretly catches it and moves him to behind the drier because it's too cold for him to survive outside. And I absolutely exude my pride in being a man. It's the last day of Movember and for the month, I grew my beard and for the last week, [I'm rocking this.](http://i.imgur.com/yhdeHuq.jpg) Now the tricky part comes when there's the subtlety of "I am a man, so I do things that are hard, it is my place. Women can do hard things, too, but when nobody is around it falls to me." Kind of a duty vs opportunity thing. First of all. Congratulations on the beard. That is a legitimate thing to be proud of. Because it is situational. :) You are proud you can help people. You are proud of what you can do. Of your role in society based on your hard work and merits. But does your hearth feel with joy when you remember about the spider thing, or the times you were able to help, like when you remember that you are part of the "Penis group" ? :) Have you ever wept about it ? Well yes on both counts. I'm really proud to be a man. A huge portion of my life has been influenced by just that single fact. But again... "I've been raised by a society who doesn't give one tiny shit about men" so I have to carry that with me. I mean, on Reddit alone there are thousands of people who actively deny there are any drawbacks to being a man. I mean... yes. It's absolutely arbitrary whether I was born a boy or a girl, just like it's arbitrary if you were born black or Chinese or American or Swiss. But these things *are* a huge part of your life, whether you embrace or reject them. And while there are people who will look down on Canadians or Eskimos, most people are just making the best of what they've got.