Dialogue ID: t3_2rk7my

Corpus: Winning Arguments (ChangeMyView) Corpus

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WMN ID: t3_2rk7my_t1_cngpiso

Context: Online interaction

WMN Type: WMN: disagreement

WMN Meaning: both

Trigger words: risky (2)

Indicator sentences: You have a strange definition of "risky"

Negotiation parts: while it's true a mistake can cost you your life, they often don't (cars have been getting safer since the 1920s) and the fact is that because so many people spend so much time driving, we are better at it than a lot of other things and so are much more likely to not make those mistakes (though, sadly, they do happen). I define "risky" as a high likelihood that something out of your control can kill you in the given activity, and the things that can kill you and aren't in your control to some degree in a car are very infrequent. Playing Russian Roulette is risky because there is a 1 in 6 chance that a bullet is going through your head. Driving there is a 1 in 1 million chance that you're going to be killed in an accident, maybe a 1 in 10,000 chance that you'll be in an accident at all. By "risky" I mean that the total, accumulated risk is greater than the benefits of driving a car, at least in a large number of scenarios.

WMN ID: t3_2rk7my_t1_cnhab3j

Context: Online interaction

WMN Type: WMN: non-understanding

WMN Meaning: situated meaning

Trigger words: personal insurances

Indicator sentences: What do you mean personal insurances? Like home insurance?

Negotiation parts: I should have been more specific. I meant life and accident insurance (not sure what you'd call that in English)

WMN ID: t3_2rk7my_t1_cnhf08f

Context: Online interaction

WMN Type: WMN: disagreement

WMN Meaning: situated meaning

Trigger words: eating unhealthy

Indicator sentences: We have to define what we're talking about when saying not eating healthily.

Negotiation parts: Obesity and Heart Disease are those causes of death. You can eat unhealthily and not get those things. A poorly informed vegan is just as unhealthy, imo, but in different ways, as a meathead at the gym who lives off protein shakes and chicken, but neither will likely have obesity related disease or, barring steroid use, heart disease. It's statistics yo. Could doesn't enter into it. An obese smoker has a higher likelihood of dying from those conditions than a vegan health nut. Why would obesity be such a ubiquitously bad thing? I feel like you're dissenting on the idea that water is wet. Nah, I don't think I'm disagreeing with you, more like suggesting more specificity to be accurate, not just to nitpick. To be more succinct- eating healthily is very ambiguous and can be done in different ways with various results. The end goal of eating healthily is to avoid disease and to feel good. Heart disease and Obesity are two major conditions that can result from particular diets. *Some ways of* eating "unhealthily" can result in these things, but those are leading causes of death and they are the actual things we are trying to avoid. That's why I used the example of the really muscular guy and the vegan who do not make well rounded health choices. Neither will likely die from malnutrition, obesity, or heart disease, but their diets have an non-negligible effect on their health. However, you said: [STA-CITE]>By the death rate, eating unhealthy is the most dangerous thing that you can do. [END-CITE]I think *becoming obese* or *letting your cholesterol* go up are the most dangerous things you can do, and they take a particular kind of unhealthy eating. Anyway, I understood what you were trying to say and I agree with it, I just thought I'd clarify as a response and now I'm clarifying that clarification. Not trying to be a dick at all, haha. I was a bit confused and thought you thought the jury was out on obesity. Sorry.

WMN ID: t3_2rk7my_t1_cnhf18t

Context: Online interaction

WMN Type: WMN: non-understanding

WMN Meaning: situated meaning

Trigger words: risky (2)

Indicator sentences: If you want to define risky as "fatal for the driver," then sure the point stands.

Negotiation parts: However, if you consider the sentiment of the argument rather than the semantics -- i.e. driving is risky because there's a lot at stake both in terms of your life as well as that of others -- then it becomes a more subjective point of debate. That's a separate point. There are two arguments here: 1) The risk of hitting someone is still a risk - I agree with this, although I fear that the statistics will be misused in measuring this risk, as they are being misused all over this thread. 2) Walking is only risky because of driving. If nobody drove then it would be less risky - This might be true, but it is irrelevant. We live in a world where people drive. The only thing OP can control is whether s/he drives or relies on another mode of transport. The latter is what I'm talking about. That's fair.