Dialogue ID: t3_3cgf0e

Corpus: Winning Arguments (ChangeMyView) Corpus

URL: https://convokit.cornell.edu/documentation/winning.html

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WMN sequences (4):

WMN ID: t3_3cgf0e_t1_csvbfpl

Context: Online interaction

WMN Type: WMN: non-understanding

WMN Meaning: situated meaning

Trigger words: abstract sum

Indicator sentences: What do you mean by "abstract sum?" I don't think I understand.

Negotiation parts: for some people, money is just a number in their bank account that they try to grow more, not for any purpose of using it to buy anything.

WMN ID: t3_3cgf0e_t1_csvhsmm

Context: Online interaction

WMN Type: WMN: disagreement

WMN Meaning: situated meaning

Trigger words: wants (2) want (2)

Indicator sentences: Goddamn mosquitoes lol I do agree with your point as it applies to a threshold, but where I am not convinced is that a window screen, for example, is a "want." You or I wouldn't purchase, install, and enjoy a window screen because we want to exactly. It's a measure against a natural discomfort, and these aren't the wants I'm referring to here.

Negotiation parts: [STA-CITE]> It's a measure against a natural discomfort, and these aren't the wants I'm referring to here. [END-CITE]I might be reading this wrong, but didn't you specifically mention AC in your OP as one of the wants we should try to move away from? Thanks for asking, I recognize that's confusing. I did. What I meant by pointing out AC originally is that it's such a prevalent, and simultaneously energy-consumptive technology, that there would be an inherent monetary value to ditching it. It is dissimilar to window screens because using AC consumes energy, and there's a monetary cost, month to month, depending on how much you use it. Using AC less would result in lower bills, thereby reducing your monetary obligations and affording you more freedom. Your point that AC is also a measure against natural discomfort is totally true. I should have been more clear there. Additionally, keeping mosquitoes out of your house could be considered more of health measure than running the AC, and much less expensive, and it's not exactly a luxury in the same way.

WMN ID: t3_3cgf0e_t1_csw7l02

Context: Online interaction

WMN Type: Non-pursued

WMN Meaning: no WMN

Trigger words: tranquil

Indicator sentences: I agree, there should be action. That's not exactly what I mean by tranquility.

Negotiation parts: Tranquil life is not necessarily good. There should be action. Another question is, what kind of action will it be, or where do you want to direct your effort. Your idea is, it's not really worth it to direct it into getting money for unnecessary stuff ("luxuries"). That's fine. On the other hand, what if you wanted to get into something like pro motorcycle riding, or climb Everest, or something like that. These things are definitely from the freedom area, but also require major financial boost. I mean, homeless people can be pretty relaxed, they don't have a lot of stuff to worry about. But also not a lot of options. tranquility

WMN ID: t3_3cgf0e_t1_cswpmmc

Context: Online interaction

WMN Type: WMN: disagreement

WMN Meaning: situated meaning

Trigger words: goal (2) wants (6)

Indicator sentences: A goal in itself, would just be one additional "want", and nothing more.

Negotiation parts: ∆ touche! I'll concede that you are right -- "goal" and "wants" aren't well defined in my OP, and the conclusion can't work without clearer terms. I posted these thoughts perhaps a bit to hastily. That said, I don't entirely agree with everything you say, mostly because in philosophic terms, English (and perhaps any language) is incapable of grasping just about any phenomenon in life, resulting in mis-translations between the mind and the page. Attempting to define, for example, "wants," in your final paragraph, lead to grasping conclusions like, "do we simply slip into a catatonic state until the desire for the next cup of tea arises?" Of course not, that's not how people work. So yes, you are right, I am wrong by my OP's terms.