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[1119]

You want to start? /

[1152]

{D Well, } I guess I would first identify myself as middle aged /{C and } therefore,

[1119]

Uh-huh. /

[1152]

having seen the last generation, I guess it [ puts me in, + {D you know, } gives me ] a perspective on that. /

[1119]

Yeah. /

[1152]

{F Uh, } I, am quite positive on the things that I have seen happen recently relative to women [ in, + both in ] society and in the work place, /{F uh, } there's no doubt about the fact that when I was first graduated from college the impression was that a woman's career would consist of a childbearing years and perhaps a return to the office, but not necessarily. /{F Uh, } {D now } I think the change that I've seen as much as anything is one where couples, {F uh, } are more carefully planning their intention on how to both share homemaking duties and also how women will, {F uh, } have their children and then deliberately sort of plan how they go back to the work place. /

[1119]

Uh-huh. /

[1152]

{C And } I guess that's a significant change that I've both participated in [ an-, + and ] noticed. /

[1119]

I agree, {F uh, } /the equality of, {F uh, } the roles now between the sexes, I guess has been dramatically demonstrated with this war, especially compared with, {F uh, } the Vietnam war /{C and } you see women going off to wars as well as men. /

[1152]

Uh-huh. /

[1119]

{F Uh, } I have wondered why they allowed, or let, {D you know, } both the father and mother go, {F uh, } /{C and } the children are left without either parent. /{D Now } to me that's kind of a drawback. /{C But, } {F uh, } I guess it's a price you pay. /{C And } I also wonder about the children that are being brought up in the, {F uh, } {F uh, } day care centers. /

[1152]

Wonder about them in what way? /

[1119]

{D Well, } {F uh, } from what I understand there's been studies that, {F uh, } these children are, {F uh, } more rebellious. /{F Uh, } they term it as more, {F uh, } creative.

[1152]

Uh-huh. /

[1119]

But, {F uh, } that they, {F uh, } are much more contentious. /{C So, } [ [ I, + I don't, ] + [ I, + I ] guess ] we'll have to see another generation to see what differences a child being brought up, {D you know, } in [ a, + {F uh, } kind of a, ] {F uh, } community,

[1152]

Uh-huh. /

[1119]

rather than a home. /

[1152]

I have not, to be honest, had much experience,

[1119]

Yeah. /

[1152]

with children in that situation. /[ I, + I ] guess one knows one's own (( storly )) /{C and } I know, {F uh, } in my children's case it was one where, {F uh, } pretty much up until the older of two was [ in, + ] {F uh, } let's see, I guess basically starting junior high /{C and } the younger was in fifth grade when my wife reentered the work force. /

[1119]

Uh-huh. /

[1152]

{F Uh } , /

[1119]

{C So } they, -/

[1152]

{C so } I guess my experience [ is, + is ] just with what we did /[ {C and, } + {C and so } ] they didn't really go through the child care route. /

[1119]

Yeah. /

[1152]

They were able to be home together. /{F Uh, } {C and } we never actually experienced that. /[ What, + ] in terms of changes relative to women in the work place and the potential changes over [ the, + the ] next generation or so, I guess I anticipate, {F uh, } an increasing equality, {F uh, } greater presence of women in management roles -- /

[1119]

Uh-huh, /uh-huh. /

[1152]

-- {F uh, } I don't know whether there will be an increased amount [ of, + of ] surrogacy that we see. /I just don't know. /

[1119]

What do you mean? /

[1152]

{F Uh, } deliberate childbirth by surrogate mother. /

[1119]

{F Oh, } yeah. /

[1152]

Sort of rent-a-mom, /[ to be, + {D you know, }

[1119]

Yeah. /

[1152]

not to be ] crass about it, but, {F uh, }

[1119]

That's strange. /

[1152]

{F uh, } whether one might conceive, no pun intended, of the possibility that there might be a kind of [ a deliberate, + {F uh, } {F uh } --

[1119]

A nanny, sort of? /

[1152]

-- a professional ] mother, [ a-, + ]

[1119]

Uh-huh. /

[1152]

person.

[1119]

Uh-huh. /

[1152]

For instance, that, - /{C and } [ I could, + {D you know, } I could ] envision a society where that would happen and make an interesting, {F uh, } {F uh, } story or whatever. /

[1119]

Yeah. /

[1152]

[ I, + I ] don't think I have a philosophical problem with that. /In fact, I think it sort of raises nurturing and being a mother to what it ought to be which is a respected profession. /

[1119]

That's right, /that's right. /

[1152]

{F Uh, } [ I, + I ] don't have [ a, + other ] [ than, + than ] a reading [ and, + and ] male perspective [ [ on, + on the ver-, ] + on the biological ] urges involved relative to being a mother or not. /{F Uh, } [ I know [ that, + that ] + my sense is that ] I have very much an interest and had one in being a parent. /[ I, + I ] don't know that I, {F uh, } felt myself necessarily encumbered with the necessity to have heirs. /

[1119]

Uh-huh. /

[1152]

{F Uh, } I don't have boys, /that [ doesn't, + didn't ] bother me, /never has. /Vision more women deliberately raising children either in surrogacy [ or, + or ] as a professional [ nanny, + nanny ] as you put it, {F uh. } /

[1119]

Yeah. /

[1152]

Maybe we'll see a growth in that where someone makes a career out of, say, taking care of five or six children as opposed to day care. /

[1119]

Uh-huh, /uh-huh. /

[1152]

It would be a sort of day care, /{C but } it would be more of a family setting. /

[1119]

Right. /

[1152]

{F Uh, } I know that there are young people, characterized, I guess as being half my age, so [ that + by definition that ] means,

[1119]

Uh-huh, /uh-huh. /

[1152]

they're young. {F Uh, } [ that, + ] in my work place, who are both of them earning rather decent professional salaries who probably would consider paying a woman, {F uh, } eight or nine or ten thousand dollars a year to take care of their child, /

[1119]

To come in and live with them? /

[1152]

I could easily envision that. /Pardon? /

[1119]

To come in and live with them? /

[1152]

Or to put their child [ into a s-, + into a home setting, ]

[1119]

Uh-huh. /

[1152]

where [ they would, + {D you know, } {D like } [ they, + they ] would ] [ get, + leave ] at eight in the morning [ and, + and ] drop a two year old off in a home where you knew there were going to be four other kids /[ {C and, } +

[1119]

Yeah. /

[1152]

{C and } ] you were paying for really high quality care. /

[1119]

Right. /

[1152]

{F Uh, } I have acquaintances of mine where I know that they are paying figures [ on, + on ] the order of what I quoted to someone, because that's [ what + ] the experience they want /{C and } I would imagine if there are more of people like that with an opportunity [ that, + that's ] a possibility of a change --

[1119]

Uh-huh. /

[1152]

-- that we could see in the next few years. /

[1119]

{C And then } you might have more control over, {F uh, } [ the, + the ] morals that they would be taught rather than in {D like } a classroom or a day care center. /

[1152]

Uh-huh, /uh-huh. /

[1119]

I know the day care centers are not cheap either. /{D You know } they're, -/

[1152]

I haven't ever really looked at them. /Are you aware at all,

[1119]

{F Uh, } {D well, } no, /

[1152]

[ of, + of ] [ what they would, + what they cost? ] /

[1119]

[ I just know, + I know ] several single mothers who absolutely can't afford it. /They have to go with [ [ the, + a single, ] + {F uh, } [ wh-, + ] {E I mean } a ] baby-sitter [ more, + more ] or less. /

[1152]

Uh-huh. /

[1119]

{C But } I think it's {D like, } about sixty dollars a week for two children --

[1152]

Uh-huh. /

[1119]

-- if I'm not mistaken. /{C And } you have to pay that whether you're on vacation, {D you know, } and taking care of the children or if the children are [ at home, + at home, ]

[1152]

Uh-huh. /

[1119]

sick. /{E I mean, } that is, {D you know, } just [ a, + a ] rate that you have to pay /{C and, } {F uh, } -/

[1152]

[ What, + what ] do you envision for the next twenty years as far as women in American society? /

[1119]

{F Uh, } <> I think, I really don't have a vision . /

[1152]

That's okay, too. /

[1119]

Yeah, /[ [ I, + I, ] + I ] think that they will be more in the work place because, {F uh, } the door's open. /

[1152]

Uh-huh. /

[1119]

{C And, } {F uh, } it's just human nature to walk through an open door. /[ {C So, } + {C and } ] I would be glad to see that. /I hope I don't see a lot more single moms, /{C but, }

[1152]

(( )) .

[1119]

[ i-, + it ] seems in my experience I'm running across single women all the time. /

[1152]

[ I'm, + I'm ] noticing that, too, /[ {C and, } + {C and } ] I notice [ [ the, + the, ] + a ] terming [ [ ex-, + em-, ] + emerging ] called solo parents,

[1119]

Yeah. /

[1152]

that I'm very aware of the number of solo mothers [ that, + that ] I encounter in the work place, /{C and } [ that, + that ] is a little troublesome.

[1119]

Yeah, /yeah. /

[1152]

{F Uh, } because the pressures on them [ are, + are, ]

[1119]

It's awful. /

[1152]

[ rather, + rather ] formidable. /

[1119]

Yeah <>. /

[1152]

{F Uh, } {C and } maybe that's a change we'll see. /Maybe, {F uh, } the possibility [ of, + of ] women, {F uh, } who deliberately say, no, /we'll let the man [ will + take ] care of the children perhaps,

[1119]

Uh-huh. /

[1152]

in the event of a separation or whatever. /

[1119]

Right. /

[1152]

{D So, } -/

[1119]

# {D Well, } I think we've done it . # /

[1152]

# {D Well, } I think we're about done. # /Okay. /

[1119]

Thank you very much. /

[1152]

{F Uh, } good-bye. /

[1119]

It's been interesting. /

[1152]

You take care. /

[1119]

Okay. /

[1152]

Bye. /