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# {C and } # I sort of, [ I + ] see perspectives on all sides. /{F Um, } {C and } I've [ re-, have + ] no hope for solutions. /{C But, } {F uh, } I do keep myself somewhat abreast of the issue. /I have worked [ with, + {F uh, } {F uh, } a little bit with ] refugees from,
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# Southeast # Asia, {F uh, } who've come over. {F Uh, } {D you know, } to escape the genocide programs that are over there. /And [ seen, + ] {D you know, } heard about some of the problems that they've had./{C And } I'm also fairly sensitive to the issues about how open should the borders be. /{C Because } I, in general, like a smaller rather than a larger population,
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to the land area. /
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{C And, } {F uh, }
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Where are you? /
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I'm in California,
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# {D See, } # -/
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# which # has a lot of immigration. Probably more than any where else in the country, though I'm not sure if that's the case. /
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{D Well, } we've got a lot too. /I'm in Texas. /
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Uh-huh, /yeah. /
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In Garland, right outside of Dallas. /
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{C So, } we're getting a large
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# Yeah. # /
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# those # for a long time. /
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Sure, /{D well, } Texas,
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# used # to be part of Mexico, or most of it
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Yes, /{F oh, } yes. /<
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[ I, + I ] don't either. /It's a really delicate, {F uh, } moral, issue. /{C Because, } [ i-, + if ] you have, {D well, } - /I guess the one thing I do see [ that is, + is that ] needs to be a solution is, that if you do let people into the country, I do feel you have a certain obligation [ to, +
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# To get them on their, # -/
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# to ] get them on their # feet. /
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{C Because } otherwise what you're doing is you're letting people in /{C and } [ you're, + you're ] dooming them to being underclass people. /
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{D You know, } you're dooming them to ghetto life or whatever. /{C And } I know [ that, + that ] the Southeast Asians, the Hmong people that I've done some work with, {F uh, } feel very quite hurt [ and, + and ] unsure of themselves when here. /{C Because } they're coming [ from, + {D you know, } from ] the slash and burn intercultural society, {D you know, } /they're coming from the middle ages, basically. /{C And } they're being [ plunked down, + plunked down ] into America. /Many of them had been promised by the C I A, during the war over there, that because they co-operated with the C I A, and they helped the C I A out, that when they came here, the C I A would help establish them in America, /{C and } the C I A, of course, isn't doing that. /
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{F Um. } /
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{C And, } {F uh, }
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{C And } [ they're, + they're ] incredible victims of crime. /{C And } part of it is this [ lack of, +
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# lack # of ] basic information, being (( dissimilated )) . /{C And } I'm not saying it's easy to do, /{C and } I know there are a few people who are trying, /[ {C but, } + {C but } ] the funding isn't there for very much work to be going on. /
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{C And } there's a lot of graft, like people [ trying to tell them, + ] {F oh, } giving them information that was free to them anyway if they just knew how to get it. /
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{F Uh, } yeah, /exactly. /Y-, - /ha-, -/
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# Yeah. # /
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# {E I # mean, } these are people who don't have the foggiest idea about what America's like. /
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{F Um, } {C and } it's, - /ver- - /it's, - /[ I, + I ] couldn't really conceptualize how hard it was to understand that [ until I, + until I ] met with them. /{C And } I realized that, [ they, + ] some of the information that I just, {D you know, } don't even realize and know is information, they don't have. /{C And } I never thought, {D well, } I guess that is something you need to know, {D you know. } /People getting into trouble because they come here, /{C and so } they start farming on, {F uh, } available land, {D you know. } Like the median strips on freeways because no one's using it. /{C But } then someone comes along and says you can't do that, {D you know. } /Why can't they? /They have no idea why not, [ some, + some ] of them, {D you know. } /The ones that have been here longer and have been in, {D you know, } understand now. /{C But } when they initially come over, -/
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You mean, really trying to plant something? /That's what you're saying? /
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Yeah, /
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Farming? /
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'cause they're farmers. /These,
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# Oh. # /
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# are # all farmers coming over, /{C and } they're being put in the middle of the city
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{E I mean } they're nomadic farmers, {D you know, } /they're people who farm on the hillside and then leave the hillside to another hillside and farm on that hillside. /
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These are people who've never seen flat ground before and people who've never seen property rights before. {D You know, } these people who've never seen any machines other than those used in war. /{C And, } {F uh, } they have, {D you know. } - /{C So } [ [ I, + I, ] + I ] do have a lot of sympathy for them, /{C and } I feel that America could try a little bit harder [ to, + to ] help people adjusting to the American way. /{C Because } if they don't, [ you're just going to produce, + {D you know, } you're going to produce ] an underclass, {D you know. } /You're going to get a situation that I think a lot like what happened to the blacks, being sort of led out of slavery /{C and } [ {C then, } + {C then } ] many of them ended up just working the same jobs they were as slaves then. /{C And } there was no,
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# And not being cared for. # -/
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# real [ up, + upward ] movement. /{C And, } # not being, {D you know, } -/
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Yeah. /That's true. /
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{F Um, } /
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{D Well, } what did you do when you helped these people? /
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{D Well, } -/
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# [ How did you, + what did you ] do, /tru-, # -/
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# [ I, + I ] wasn't helping them. /I worked with # them, not to help them, but
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All right. /
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I do have friends who have tried to do more,
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# Uh-huh /
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# social work, #
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# Uh-huh. # /
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# {D you # know, } by explaining to people how the language,
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# and # what the problems learning English might be and such. /
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{C Because } all the models of teaching English are based on teaching English to Spanish speakers or to other European language speakers. /{C And } people don't realize how different some of the languages they speak are. /
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{D Well, } I'm an E S L teacher. /
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{F Oh, } you are? /
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Yes. /
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Uh-huh, /{D well } you, -/
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[ That's, + that's ] been my impression. /
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{E I mean, } it's like people don't know, # what they say, # /
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# Yeah. /[ [ It's, + it's ] # not, + they're not ] withholding information, /
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it's not step for step. /
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they just don't have that information. /
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# [ They, + they ] haven't the foggiest idea. # /
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# {C But } {D anyway, } I enjoy it. /[ They, + # they, ] - /the kids I've worked with so far have been Spanish speaking. /
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Yes. /
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{C And }
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# {C And } Spanish is, #
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# {C but } I'm applying # for, -/
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pretty close to English, really. /
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What? /Yeah, /it is. /
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{C And } Spanish is a lot like English. /
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A lot of our words are the same, /
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# Yeah. # /
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# {D like, } # {D you know, }
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# Yeah, /yeah. # /
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# they just # change the pronunciation a little bit. /
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{C But, } I love it. /I love the culture, {F uh, } the way that [ they, + {F uh, } they ] respect education and their teachers --
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-- their parents, so much more than, than my children do.
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And [ doing what, + ] trying to get them set up, [ in-, + inculturated, ]
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# into # the system. /
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# I # thought that would be good experience for me. /
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{F Oh, } I'm sure it would. /
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{C And, } I've applied at another district where many of the children are Asian. /
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{C And } I think that would be wonderful too. /
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Yeah, /it would be a good experience, /{C and } you'd be helping people, I'm sure. /Very much. /[ {C And } n-, + {C and } ] {E I mean, } [ not to put, + not to ] trivialize the problems of any immigrant group but I do know the Asian groups are having a lot of trouble. /{E I mean, } {C and } part of the problem is that, a lot of Chinese and Japanese immigration from, {D you know, } decades ago has been very successful because they valued education and so forth. /
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Right. /
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They became a very successful immigrant group. /[ [ {C But, } + {C and, } ] + {C but } ] a lot of people coming over from Vietnam, right now, coming from worn torn countries, [ are, + are ] [ na-, + not ] having the same success. /I think some people have just assumed, {D well, } [ why, + why ] can't you be successful? /The Japanese were, or the Chinese were, or something. /{C And } it's really much more complicated. /
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{D Well, } the times were different too. /
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Yeah, /the times are different, {D yeah. } /
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My neighbor, {A let's see, } is Jewish. /{C And } he's going through [ the, + {A I don't know, } the ] Jewish League or something.
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And helping a family that's come over from Russia. /
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{C And } he spends, - /{D well, } right now, he's down to {D like } once a week, /{C but } he was going over there several times a week to be with the family,
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# Uh-huh. # /
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# and # help them with the language. /{C And } he thoroughly enjoyed it. /
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{F Oh, } yeah. /[ I, + I ] think it's a wonderful thing to do. /{C And } [ there's a lot, + there's a lot ] more, - /I guess another possible solution is, since taxpayers aren't going to start paying more money for this {C and, } {C and } other budgets aren't going to be cut to pay for it, {F uh, }
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# No. # /
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# more # of the volunteer network service. - /{C Because } everyone gains from it. /
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Would be, - /would, - /might be really useful. /{F Uh, } {C and } if it's,
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Uh-huh. /What's so sad about this is both of [ the, + the ] man and the woman had a degree having to do with computers /{C but, }
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# their # training isn't what we need in this country. /
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Yes. /
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{C And } because they're so deficient in English, they haven't been able to get jobs. /
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{C So } they'll have to go back and get a degree here. {D You know, } almost start all over. /
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Yes, /yes, /I've known people with effectively worthless degrees in this country. {E I mean, } /{C and } they're highly educated people, /{C but } of course, if you're educated and you don't speak English, no one thinks anything of you. /
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No, /no. /{C And } this woman was, {F uh, } stocking the shelves in a drugstore. /
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Yeah, /I do too. /{D Well, } It's been good talking with you. /
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{D Well, } thank you. /
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{F Uh, } okay. /
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Have a good night. /
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Okay, /it does sound like you have some children to take care of
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Okay. /Yes, /I do
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{F Uh, } Okay, /bye-bye. /