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[1500]

Okay Karen. /[ You-, + you're ] first. /

[1552]

Okay. /I was just going to say I think one of the biggest thing for me is room for advancement. {D You know, } not to get [ in, + {D like } in ] a dead end job. /

[1500]

Uh-huh. /

[1552]

{C And } plus, for me, it's, {F uh, } {E I mean } {D like } medical and {D you know, } {F uh, } benefits and dental. /

[1500]

Okay. /

[1552]

They're also important. /

[1500]

Yeah. /I guess one of the differences I see is, {F uh, } working for a university, {F uh, } there is room for advancement, but not so much so, [ our + ] in, {F uh, } quite a highly unionized environment --

[1552]

{F Um. } /

[1500]

-- and then also in the administrative association /{C so } there is a progressive path, /{C but } not being in [ the + {D say } the ] commercial sector, the motivation isn't there for a lot of people --

[1552]

{F Um. } /

[1500]

-- {F uh, } {D like } # really, # -/

[1552]

# Are they # {D like } pretty much train for a specific job /{C and } that what I hired for and then [ I, + ] just very little variation from that. /

[1500]

Yeah, /somewhat that, /{C but then } also there just isn't the ability to in one sense have, {F uh, } a broader scope for rewarding people for their performances. /

[1552]

Uh-huh. /

[1500]

{F Uh, } {C so } that's in our situation where we are dealing with an institution, /{F uh, } it's a little more difficult to recognize an individual's performance -- /

[1552]

Uh-huh. /

[1500]

-- {C and } I suppose that's maybe a disadvantage of being in a larger institution, perhaps somewhat even with the business, {F uh. } /{C But } I agree, {D you know, } the, {F uh, } medical benefits and those kinds of things are one of the big pluses of working for a large organization and also the, {F uh, } security aspect for long term employment, {F uh, } /

[1552]

{D Well, } {D you know } that's interesting though. /{C Because } I don't know if that's necessarily the case anymore. /I use to think that, {D you know, } after you work, - /you mean [ security, + job security? ] /

[1500]

Job security, /yes. /

[1552]

{F Uh, } that use to be I think a couple of years ago, /{C but } I don't know if it is so much anymore. /In fact, [ they, + we ] just had a lay off in what November, I guess. /

[1500]

Uh-huh. /

[1552]

{C But, } {F uh, } it wasn't necessarily, - /{E I mean, } {D you know, } some people had been there a long time. /

[1500]

Yeah, /we are seeing that here as well. /{D Like } in some of the large oil companies. There has been massive lay offs. /

[1552]

Uh-huh. /

[1500]

{F Uh, } {D so } [ I, + I ] think [ there + it's ] probably a major distinction between institutions and the corporate world --

[1552]

Uh-huh. /

[1500]

-- in, {F uh, } institutions are slower to react both on the growth side and then also on the reduction side where the businesses, we need to cut back, that's what we do. /

[1552]

Uh-huh. /No # doubt # -- /

[1500]

# {C But, } # -/

[1552]

-- yeah. /

[1500]

Yeah, /{C and } institutionally, like here at the university, {F oh } if there is a cut back, {D well gee, } it's not [ where it necessarily + where it's needed, ] /it's where it's most expedient which,

[1552]

Expedient, /yeah /that's exactly it. /Yeah, /[ where the most dollar, + [ where, + where ] ] {D you know } it cuts back the most. /

[1500]

{D Well, } in one sense for us, it's where it makes the least noise which means # it's # --

[1552]

# Oh. # /

[1500]

-- often the lowest support type roles. /

[1552]

Oh. /{D See, } yeah. /

[1500]

{D So } we, -/

[1552]

Yeah. /I think that's one of the things too. /You get too many management people, {D you know. } /

[1500]

It's very easy. /

[1552]

Yeah /{C and } it's very easy for them to say, {F oh } this is the best way when they really aren't aware of what all it took to get the work done {D you know. } /

[1500]

Yeah. /

[1552]

{C And then } they wonder why it doesn't get done in the same amount of time. /{D Well, } those people aren't there anymore. /

[1500]

Right. /{C Because } it's support people that are # providing # --

[1552]

# Yeah. # /

[1500]

-- the speed for it. /

[1552]

Uh-huh. /

[1500]

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[1552]

Yeah, /{C but, } - /{D so } what else do you think is important? /

[1500]

{D Well } the, {F uh, } - /that's maybe the majority of the importance, I guess. /Yeah, /{C because } my perspective is from an institution, /{F uh, } [ the, + there ] is not much incentive for innovativeness --

[1552]

Uh-huh. /

[1500]

-- because the limitation for reward is very severe -- /

[1552]

Uh-huh. /

[1500]

-- {C but } if you're in the corporate world, I think there is considerable motivation for I guess [ in-, + innovation, ] /although [ he, + ] {D you know, } the more complex your structure the, {F uh, } less difficult it is to kind of carry some things through -- /

[1552]

Uh-huh. /

[1500]

-- {C but, } {F uh, } I think [ there is, + {F uh, } it's ] a long term type of process where in a small organization [ it's, + ] {F uh, } things can happen much more quickly /{C and so } you can see the reward of the efforts. /

[1552]

I think probably in a small, - /yeah, /I was going to say [ more, + it's more ] personal for one thing. /You probably have a better team, {F uh, } cooperation, or team playing, atmosphere. /

[1500]

Right. /

[1552]

Probably, where as in a bigger corporation, I think you're just a number, {D you know. } /

[1500]

Yeah. /You end up being your own person -- /

[1552]

Uh-huh. /

[1500]

-- {C and, } {F uh, } if you do your job fine and if somebody else is messing it up, {D well } then that's their problem /{C and } --

[1552]

Uh-huh. /

[1500]

-- {D you # know } you really, # -/

[1552]

# whereas # {D yeah } in a smaller, - /I think you would be more willing to either help that person or help it get accomplished, {D you know. } /

[1500]

Yeah. /Yeah. /It becomes the organization instead of person being {D you know } a part of the individual themselves. /