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Yeah .
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Well , before we start , once again , we 're on air . Recorded by , what 's it called ? The Corpus ,
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Erm , British Corpus .
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British Corpus . That 's , best language , best behaviour , this evening . That 's a microphone .
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Incredible .
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This is new , you 've got ta explain , cos I was a bit concerned last night , unless you know about it .
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Yeah , what is what is the reason behind this ?
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It 's M I Five .
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Collaborate .
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It was the , the British Corpus asked us if we would be willing to record the last council meeting , because they wanted to , erm , get dialects and accents and use of words from different parts of the country , and they were so enthralled by our display , they 've asked for a further two meetings . So we did last night 's , and now we 're doing tonight 's .
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And they could n't understand the vocabulary .
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Yeah , we had too many oohs and ahs .
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There 's two more .
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I think there 's no real point to , to start them with before , is there ? Seeing as we 're gon na ask young ladies to , to talk .
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Only thirty second early .
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Right , well , good evening , ladies , gentlemen and members of the public , and erm , the first thing I 'd like to do is to ask the youngest of the young ladies at the end of the table , who have come to talk to us , and I 'm not quite sure , let me guess which one , but I reckon that that 's Miss [ANONYMIZATION] and , and that 's Miss [ANONYMIZATION] . Have I got it right ? So we 've got , I did have the first names somewhere . Katy an Katy and Amy . That 's Katy , no Amy and Katy , who gon na talk to us about project they 're doing , which is called a dog called Mock . Okay , so ov over to you two .
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You ready ?
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No , [UNCLEAR]
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Well , the book [UNCLEAR] in her own time , produced these eight books of which four we 're going to put into print . Perhaps you 'd like to pass them [UNCLEAR] are you , erm , you could have a look at them . The teachers felt that they 'd put so much effort into it , that it er , should be taken a stage further ,
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and , perhaps go towards printing , and to this end , they [UNCLEAR] erm , approach from John [ANONYMIZATION] . Er , this entails erm , producing a book exactly the same size as the Trade Directory . It will have the same feel to the cover , forty pages and er contain four of the stories . Erm , to this end , we need about six hundred pounds for the printing , and then all the proceeds will go towards the legal [UNCLEAR] and also to buy additional equipment for the primary school . Erm , it 's their last year at the primary school so it would nice to leave a couple of benches or something like that behind , for the old'uns to sit on . But it 's all their own work , they 're at the moment re-drawing every single page of the four stories that will be in the book , and I think that Amy 's got , this is the work in progress . Erm , the book here is the one that she 's working on at the moment . Some stories they 've chosen to use . And [UNCLEAR] you can see actually [UNCLEAR]
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Hello , [UNCLEAR]
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So they 've all
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Yeah .
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Got to be re-drawn in black and white , that 'll be gone over
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Hello , okay , my love , yeah , I will do [UNCLEAR] finish , okay , okay , fine , see you then , Happy Christmas , bye .
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putting a lot more detail in , rather than , any Beano Annual you should buy , there is always things in the background that draw you eye in to the [UNCLEAR] picture , so Amy 's putting a lot more detail into the picture as it coming up for re-drawing . Erm , we 've got to set out [UNCLEAR] , have n't we , Amy ? And as I say , Bill [ANONYMIZATION] is doing it all at cost , so , you know , he 's not making anything out of it , himself . Erm , we 've got a few sponsors , and also a few places that people have agreed to sell the book and display , so [UNCLEAR] Nurseries , Redferns , Malcolm [ANONYMIZATION] , College Bookshop , Toy and Candy , erm , a bloke from Manchester Insurance has given me a couple of days to sell the book out there . At the lunchtime , they 've got a big social club , erm , and all main hospital fund raising coffee mornings and events will be able to sell the book there . So , you know , there is an end to the product , we can see when
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And , an and , and in our Portsmouth Information Centre .
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Great , that would be lovely , yeah . And I also hoping to contact the Parent Teacher Association , of the schools that the hospital will service , and see if they will sell the books at their stall as well because it 's all to benefit hospitals , you see . So there are outlets .
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We hmm , now , young ladies , how long have you been working on this ?
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A year ?
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Yeah .
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And erm , how much time do you spend on it ?
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They te it , they tend to do a lot like in the holidays and half term , when they can get together , because obviously there are other demands on them with Brownies and Guides and stuff like that . But it 's really when you 're together , you work on them more , do n't you ?
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Right , the production cost is say six hundred pounds , right ?
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Yeah .
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And you 've raised some sponsorship .
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We 've raised about two hundred , just over two hundred .
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[UNCLEAR] Great . Has anybody got any questions for these young ladies , or their mums ?
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Can [UNCLEAR] sponsor money ?
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Sorry ?
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That they would raise as a sponsor [UNCLEAR] what to give , or , give us some idea , what er ,
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Yeah , they , they 've got sponsorship down beneath the two hundred pounds .
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Paul .
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They seem to work very hard on these .
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Have you any idea how many books you might actually sell ?
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Erm , we 're no we 're not sure about selling . I mean , this , the six hundred pound will produce one thousand books . That gives us the potential of raising two thousand pounds , because we intend to sell them for one ninety nine . We 've been told if we go over the two pound , they wo n't sell , sell so well , erm , so really [UNCLEAR] I 'm not too sure , but er , I , I can work on bigger , er , like I got this couple of days off living Manchester , I 'm sure if I approach erm , you know , the police , they might give me a couple of days selling out there .
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Can I
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I 'm sure of ways and means .
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Mm .
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can I ask you , it 's a thousand pounds to sell two hundred and fifty of each of the four ?
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No . No , this book , well it 's
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Will
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two thousand of this book which contains the four stories
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Contains the four of th oh , right , that 's fine .
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Yeah , yeah .
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So , what we 've got is four of these books that will go and condense into one copy ,
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Yeah .
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and two thousand copies of , a thousand copies of that .
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One thousand of this , yeah .
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Right .
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Yeah , Same size .
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Who 's gon na pick which four go in , then ?
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They both are .
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They both are .
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Yeah .
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And have you got any ideas which ones they are ?
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Yes ,
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Gail , you show them .
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[UNCLEAR] that one .
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[UNCLEAR] please .
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[UNCLEAR] and er , this one .
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That 's the one where it 's properly drawn up , is it ?
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Yeah , and the dog show .
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And the dog show .
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And the seaside one .
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And the seaside .
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[UNCLEAR] and the seaside .
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Right , have we got any timescale on this ?
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Erm , yes . It will be produced by Easter .
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Right .
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Yeah , we 've drawn out deadlines for the books to be copied and , and it will be launched at Easter . Erm , colours . Er , we 've got black and white with three other colours . Er , blue red and yellow , which mixed together should also give us purple , green and pink . So we 're probably talking about eight different colours .
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Right .
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We thought if anybody [UNCLEAR] .
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Right , now . First thing , I wan na thank you for coming in . I wan na thank you for the initiative you 've shown . I ca n't tell you till we 've had our meeting what we 're gon na decide . Whatever happens , we wish you very well . I think I speak for everybody and say that we wish you well in this project . And if either mum likes to phone in , or come into the office tomorrow , by tomorrow you 'll know what we can do , or if we 're gon na do anything to help you . Okay . Right , so we wo n't keep you waiting . We 'll get it sorted tonight .
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Thank you very much .
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Okay . Thank you for taking the time and come to see us . Anyway , I think these young ladies deserve a round of applause for what they 've done so far .
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Don do n't to be afraid to come and see us again , alright ? It 's quite nice to have people here .
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We 'll be selling copies next time .
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Right [UNCLEAR] before we actually st plans , please . Now , before we , again before we start the actual meeting proper , I 've invited Carol [ANONYMIZATION] along , you 'll see that we 've got er , oh sorry , for those who do n't know Carol . [UNCLEAR] leading night in Rio . And you 'll see we 've got an application up for Rio tonight . We thought it would be a good opportunity for Carol to come along and tell you , as quickly as she can ,
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Yeah .
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where we 've got to with our recycling initiative , and then we can look at that grant in the light of what we 've been told by Carol .
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Okay . I 'll sit round here and you can see me . Right , just like reading that through , I 'll give you the Readers Digest version , and then you can ask me any questions to fill in , there 's er , quite a bit to tell . We started off about a year ago , looking at recycling that 's available in [UNCLEAR] which is just basically the paper , cans and glass out at the [UNCLEAR] park car park . We thought , there 's a lot more that you can do . There 's a lot more that you can do than this . How can we go about doing it ? We thought that the site over at the station centre would be good as a shop outlet and as office space for recycling , and that the site behind it would be a good place to keep all the stuff until it can actually be recycled , erm , so we identified the site to start with , then we started looking at what 's actually possible as op opposed to desirable . To this end we had a feasibility study written by Ken [ANONYMIZATION] who is Devon 's Community Recycling Network Coordinator . His study took three months to prepare and , considers the markets available , it considers things like recycling credits that the councils can give you . It looks at other initiatives similar to the one that we 're planning , and Derek [ANONYMIZATION] has got a copy of that , if anyone would like details , on any of that . The next thing we did was starting to support and run it , of course . So far , we 've got support from Waste Watch which is a Department of the Environment 's er recycling group . They 've sponsored us a consultancy ,
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They twinned us
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they 've twinned us as it were , with a town called Wye , which is a similar size to Ottery St Mary in every respect . And our consultant has been running varied recycling for the last four years , and they are currently recycling seventy percent of the waste in that town . That 's as against a national average of about five percent . So obviously this consultancy gives a lot of good ideas , and a lot of very practical advice , because they were actually doing it . We 've been to visit him , he 's back to visit us , and he 's available to us on the phone for a year , and all of that 's covered by this Department of the Environment . In terms of hard cash , we 've applied to the Community Council of Great Britain , and their Rural Action Project , and they 've promised us two thousand pounds as an actual funding , so as and when funding becomes available from councils or from private sector or from our own efforts , they match that pound for pound as we go along . Er , other money is being raised from local businesses , we 've got support from Otter Nurseries and we 've got support from [UNCLEAR] as well . Who are [UNCLEAR] local support . As far as council support goes , we 've been granted the use of both the station centre itself , so that we can have a retail outlet for furniture , bric-a-brac , books , the kind of thing that might go to landfill , but which people might very well want to use . And that would also give us office space which would give us a headquarters for a recycling education group , which would go out to schools , to councils , to Brownie groups , to to anybody who might be interested in recycling , what they can do , how they can it better . Erm , that would all be based in the station centre , erm , as I say , we 've also been granted permission to use the site behind and planning permission is on the way through now , that 's looking good . We 've got support of social services , who actually own the access onto that site . They 're obliged to charge us a certain amount for access , but they 're talking about giving us that money back as a grant . So all of , all of that is under way . Er , what do we need now ? Well , it 's all very well saying you 're gon na recycle things , you 've got ta have something to keep them in . We looked into all sorts of different buildings , and [UNCLEAR] that would be suitable , and we 've decided the best thing is on the shipping containers , they 're water proof , they 're vandal proof , and they 're recycled as well , which helps . We are looking at a cost of about five hundred pound for these , plus two hundred pound shipping charges , and we 're going to need four or five of them . At the moment , we 've got , Devon County Council 's Recycling Working Party who are very likely to be paying our site 's rental charges , for at least the first year to get us off the ground . Er , I ca n't say definitely yet , because the meeting comes up after this meeting , but I 've had a lot of positive noises . East Devon District Council has looked at the paperwork and has realized that the Community Council is going to match anything that they give , so I 've spoken to their recycling officer and he thinks that the way the budget is , we 're very likely to get one of the containers from them , which would be matched by another from the Community Council . So , basically what I 'm here to ask you for this evening is your support of the project , and specifically , if the town council could buy us another one of these shipping containers . Then we effectively double their money , because that would give us the fourth and final one that we do need to set up and start operating . In the long term we 'd like to go on , and build a workshop , make our own recycle refurbish [UNCLEAR] electrical goods , because , obviously , this is something a bit more in capital intensive , and it 's something we 're looking at it in the future .
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Thank you .
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That 's it .
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Mm .
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Questions .
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Out of that [UNCLEAR]
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Mhm .
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Would you recycle [UNCLEAR] goods or whatever you like to call it ?
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No .
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Have you any ?
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Yeah . Erm , last week we consulted Devon County Council , we sell it for peanuts , unfortunately now , because the market [UNCLEAR] as we know , with people being keener on to the recycling plus products flooding in from Germany creating products . Er , from the sound business point of view , we can only recycle glass , because we get what are called recycling credits , which is that the County Council gives us fifteen pounds a ton at the moment . That 's going up April of next year . For everything that we collect . So they will take the glass and they will pay us recycling credits for that . Newspaper , difficult one , generally , but we 're lucky in that we 've got a place down in Exmouth that shred this all up for animal bedding , and they 'll take that , and again we 'll get recycling credits , so although it 's low value in terms of the actual material , it attracts this big recycling credit [UNCLEAR] so so a subsidized market , if you like . Aluminium cans , can only start at seven hundred pounds a ton . Steel cans , you can just about cover the costs of it .
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You mentioned all the figures that you can [UNCLEAR]
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Yes , yes .
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You mentioned Germany .
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Sorry ?
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Germany has a big problem , has n't it ?
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Germany does have a big problem .
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They are , they are the top recyclable nation in the world .
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That 's right . Well , the problem is that they
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They have so much , they ca n't get rid of it .
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That 's it . The problem , the problem with Germany is , as you say , they 're flooding the market , they 've , they 've gone at it from one end only . You know , they thought , recycle things , marvellous , they 've got people separating their waste , they 're collected separately , and then they , oh well , now what , oh we 'll ship it to England . Invasion . You , you go somewhere over Philippines , and you 've got land [UNCLEAR] sites full of glued up old recyclable German plastics . [UNCLEAR] they do with it , I agree . It 's a
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But do you think you can compete with that ?
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Yes . Because , as I say , we 've got recycling credits on our side , we 've got the fact that we 've got this outlet in Exmouth which will take the paper , and that 's why we 're looking at producing this workshop area , so that a lot of this stuff that goes to landfill , I 'm talking about , fridges , tables , whichever else that can be repaired and reused er , [UNCLEAR] I know this is only on a very small scale , but one of the things that I think is very important with [UNCLEAR] is that we 're not purely a recycling centre , we also want to set an education project , to raise people 's awareness of what yo yet waste production is n't about recycling , it 's about not producing it in the first place ,
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That 's right , yes .
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and the more people are aware of that . It 's not a question of how good it is to recycle several tons , it would be better still not to produce it . So I think that 's er , an important part of it . We 've actually had a recycling paper project going on over the last couple of months , which made paper out of shredded newsprint and then made Christmas cards out of them . They sold those on the profit for Rio . So it 's , it 's small things like that which although on their own , as we did n't recycle [UNCLEAR] but for all those people who bought cards and the people they send them to are , are now aware , that they need to create a market .
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Thank you . Anybody else ?
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[ANONYMIZATION] can you ask , ah , sorry , wh what products do you actually recycle ? You mentioned glass and paper .
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Glass , paper , cans , steel , scrap metal , generally . Timber which can either be good usable furniture , or furniture that can be repaired , which can go straight back out to anybody who wants to buy them . We 've also got [UNCLEAR] through Social Services , and [UNCLEAR] Honiton , who are desperate serving source of furniture , and you just see it going on top of the estate cars going down towards [UNCLEAR] all the time . If we can divert that back into Social Services , that 'll be instantly reused . Waste oil can be collected , and we can re-sell that to be used as fuel oil . Er , scrap timber can be stacked up at one side , and used as firewood . Erm , textiles have a high re-sale value . Even if we did something like jumble sale clearance , and get people 's old clothes , you could sell that for about a hundred pounds a ton . Erm , off the top of my head . We 're not going to be touching plastics , because the market is n't in place yet . Just create a problem for ourselves at the moment . As and when the market develops , we might look at that . Erm .
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Will you restrict what 's , how , how are you collecting , people bring it to you , or will you actually
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Yeah . The idea is to make it a bring facility at the moment , which is why we like the station centre and the yard behind it , because people tend to drive out that way as they go to Exeter and back .
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Wh wh what are the problems with throwing out plastic dustbins full of rubbish and just dumping it on your doorstep , and finding it unusable ?
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Well , that 's obviously one of the problems with a recycling centre . We 've done quite an extensive survey around Ottery , looking at the times people use these facilities , and the weekends , especially Saturdays , is the favoured time . What we 're planning to do in the very early stages , is to have the site staffed on a Saturday , and have people there , so we can actually turn away rubbish . We will have a skip on site , so that any rubbish that accidentally sneaks through , can be put in there , and that 's something we 've budgeted for , the fact that we will have to remove rubbish .
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Because I think you will have a real problem , coming on board now is , finding a building place .
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Devon waste money on controlling tips in Devon .
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Mm .
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They 're raising their fees , restricting what you can tip there .
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That 's right .
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And then , a lot of these skip hires , do an awful lot of domestic
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Mm .
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erm , skips , and I think what we ought to do is , if you can travel , deter people from having skips at home , and I , I think if , if you set up there , you 'd be
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But there again , if you look at the number of building sites
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outside people 's houses , and the amount of stuff in there , that just breaks my heart to see it all go into landfill . You 've got bricks , which can be reused , you 've got timber which can be reused .
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Right , right , well you say that but it 's
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[UNCLEAR] right highly unlikely .
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Right . Thanks , . Anyone else got a question ? Okay , Carol , thank you for the time you 've given to us to see it .
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Well , thank you for listening .
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Right , erm , obviously we 'll come to our deliberations as we go along .
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Right oh .
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Okay , and , and we will be asking you back at regular intervals .
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Thank you very much .
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Alright .
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Thank you .
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Right .
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Thanks a lot
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Thanks for your time .
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Well , thanks for yours , I hope you I know how precious it is at meetings .
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Right . Okay . [UNCLEAR] . Well , can we get down to business [ANONYMIZATION] . Town Clerk to receive apologies .
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Erm , Councillors [ANONYMIZATION] , and [ANONYMIZATION] .
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[ANONYMIZATION] , and [ANONYMIZATION] , right . Item two , under the , go on to grants now . Reports of correspondence .
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No , I 've got er , no er , reports , in fact . Oh yes , I can report , I phone erm erm my work today , about the place save , because I 'm obviously very concerned about that . I met up with her two and three times , to see where we 're at . And apparently the firm that she ordered the thing from in the first place had been er , re-set up . I do n't know whether it 's exactly the same company , or whether it 's erm , brackets nineteen ninety three or whatever it is . But it has some of the same staff , with a new manager director and so on . She apparently phoned him shortly before I spoke to her today , and she 's got an assurance that she 'll get her money back . So , this is to be hoped for , and he , he 's guaranteed reconciliation by the thirty first of this month . So she was writing to him at the time I telephoned . He 's getting the letter and has promised that action will be taken , so I , it 's only words at the moment .
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Right , hopefully , I think we must take this as erm , part B agenda item at the main council meeting . Because we 've got to get this sorted out , because if we do n't , the , the end of the year will be , any enhancement money , be lost wo n't it ?
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Yep .
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So we 've really got to get , put some , we 'll take that as a part B in , in , in the January meeting .
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I was slightly alarmed when we got that copy of the Tipton Times , and there was a fire inside it , begging people to come forward for the er
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And that was no chairman , no secretary , no treasurer in the organization .
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And perhaps there was only
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There were erm , what I think , you know , things were not as they seem .
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However , we 're in a situation now , we 've got to rectify , so I think that 's the only course of action we can take . See what comes by the end of the month .
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Mm .
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And then , do something , even if it means calling her in [UNCLEAR]
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I 'm not afraid to call her in
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Yeah .
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for part three of the meeting ,
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Mm .
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erm , and take it like that .
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Said she 's guaranteed to phone me before the next council meeting , so that we know what we 're doing , so I 'll keep at her .
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Right . Fine . We 're going to erm , item three , the supermarket applications , now under youth grants , you remember that we advertised , this is the money we precepted , which we wo n't be using for the detached youth work workers ' scheme . Plus the rebate that we had from that project . The total we 've got , er , available to us , to support mainstream , and different youth activities is six thousand , one hundred and thirty two pounds . And that 's precepted to use by March of ninety four . Okay . I must say , I 've been pleasantly sur you know ve pleased , by the number applications from youth activities that have come through . The first one on our list tonight , ah , one seven nine , is for the young ladies that we 've just seen , with a production of their book , A Dog Called Mock , and I think that we er , talked about this , and asked them to come in , because we wanted to know the substance , and whether this thing was actually taking place , and what was , I , I , I do n't know what the rest of you feel , I think they made a fine presentation , and it 's obviously something which is going ahead , and I hope that some of you feel , we should reward initiative . Comments .
[HYJPSUNK]
Well , I , I think Mr Chairman , they 've done a fair job in there . The work they 've put in , erm , and obviously , if you give your support to erm , make them a grant , it 's basically a grant for adults . Because a lot of the profits , that would er , be generated by this book is being put back into [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah , I , I
[HYJPSUNK]
Er , in a way
[PS3C0]
I , I like the idea they 're gon na raise six hundred pound wherever they can , then all the money they raise , they can sell the books for is going back into the community .
[HYJPSUNK]
Mm .
[HYJPSUNK]
Sorry , did I miss out on something , that , did n't they say who they were selling it to ? Presumably parents , but
[PS3C0]
Yeah , well I suppose any , I mean if they go to London or Manchester or , or er I , I think they 're gon na produce something rather like th the books you buy for your kids when they 're young , you know .
[HYJPSUNK]
Sort of Nanette Newman books , they 're very similar . I 've got one of two of those at home , and they 're very similar .
[PS3C0]
Oh , I do like that . [UNCLEAR] . Right , well ,
[HYJPSUNK]
That 's four hundred quid , were n't it [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Yeah , I 'd like to propose for maybe about two hundred .
[HYJPSUNK]
Oh , that 's what I 'd been thinking , fifty percent of what they want .
[PS3C0]
Fifty percent of what they 've got left . That means , they 've raised a third , we 've given them a third , and they got a third to raise . All in fa all in favour ?
[HYJPSUNK]
It 's getting used to thinking that somebody 's doing something for 'em .
[PS3C0]
Well , I think we can actually get a bit in the newspaper with this one . Right . All agree ?
[HYJPSUNK]
Yes .
[PS3C0]
Thank you very much . Number one eight four . Tipton Scout Troop , erm , basically we , we have helped Tipton Scout Troop before , was it last year ?
[HYJPSUNK]
No , it was this year .
[PS3C0]
This year . We 've given them five hundred pounds . Remember John [ANONYMIZATION] and I went on a , a visit down to see their hut and to be honest , they were making a very good job of the hut , what they come in for , is er , a second bite , really , erm , they 've got to , to floor the roof which we er , thought was quite interesting . I think what they mean is , they 're putting a floor , well , I know what it means , they 're putting a floor so they can store stuff across the erm ,
[HYJPSUNK]
Roof space .
[PS3C0]
yeah , you know ,
[HYJPSUNK]
Is the roof flooring .
[PS3C0]
That [UNCLEAR] my floor , yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
I call that a ceiling , but that 's a second [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
That 's right , yes and t to , to line the walls , and paint the exterior , they 've got virtually , well they got nine hundred and fifteen pounds ' worth of work they need to do to the hut . They 've actually asked us for five hundred . I thought that see as we 've given them five hundred before , perhaps you 'd consider giving them , perhaps two hundred and fifty this time . Any comments ?
[HYJPSUNK]
Can I raise a question . It 's the same old thing I 'm , I 'm what , I 'm called a coordinator , it 's all good saying we 're gon na put a mezzanine floor in one of those , you 've got to line the building out . Is there any specification going with it ?
[PS3C0]
Well , all I can say was , I been , seen the building , and there were a lot of the work was being done under supervision of David [ANONYMIZATION] under a community project , and for the amount of money they 're talking about , three hundred pound , they 're not going to put a mezzanine , I mean what they were doing , is gon na put something across the trusses so they can store something there , are n't they ? I mean , it 's a , it 's a wooden prefab type hut , it 's very hardy done , concrete floors , they 've made a good job of it . Erm , and we have got six thousand pounds to spend .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yep . I do n't want to give up [UNCLEAR] work , but
[PS3C0]
Yeah
[HYJPSUNK]
can the building support it ? I mean , I seen people [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Support it ?
[HYJPSUNK]
Well string timbers up and you build it up , and the whole lot comes down .
[PS3C0]
Yeah , well all I can say , is that I 've seen the building and I would I would think th that it 's no problem . I mean , I have n't done a detailed survey on anything , but I was pleasantly surprised by what I saw when I went in there , and I must say , I went there expecting it to be no more than a garden hut .
[HYJPSUNK]
Mm .
[PS3C0]
Right .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
I mean , pi pity that John is n't here because he can , can ver I said take your points , but then I mean ,
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
the other two jobs I do n't think there 's any problem with them .
[HYJPSUNK]
Even though you say there was n't , could you , could you fund them money after that ?
[PS3C0]
Oh , I do n't think we are . I mean , tonight , there was , paint the walls was six hundred and fifty pounds ,
[HYJPSUNK]
Well , that 's , yeah .
[PS3C0]
and we 're talking about two hundred and fifty pound towards that .
[HYJPSUNK]
I 'd like to go along with it , but I think it 's an area that ou ought to be clear when , er , grants coming in for some or even minor building works , there ought to be a specification within , whether the building can cover it or whatever . Yeah , I know it puts more work back on the people asking for the money , but if , if that went ahead , and they [UNCLEAR] it up , and the whole lot came down .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Well , [UNCLEAR] in the same way , you see , when we lent [UNCLEAR] six thousand pounds , they paid up back over a ten year period . We 're actually in the business of trying [UNCLEAR] support , and I think failure is not to have tried .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Now if they do try and it failed . You know , at least we 're supporting the activity of the young people . Young people learn a lot from failing , do n't they ?
[HYJPSUNK]
They , yes . Oh my God ,
[HYJPSUNK]
Mr Chairman , I , I take your point , but I also support erm , Paul , actually , because if we do support things like this , and like you say , if it were , do collapse on these kids , erm , they could come back and say , well , you know , council give us the money towards it , you know , they should have ,
[PS3C0]
Oh , I do n't think that 's true .
[HYJPSUNK]
But it could well do , you know .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
No , no
[HYJPSUNK]
You get bad
[PS3C0]
No , I mean , they constituted , they 're insured
[HYJPSUNK]
I know that , I mean , er , we what Paul said , is basically that , we could have problems , if it , if it did go wrong .
[PS3C1]
I mean , if you , if you into , if you were trying to look into building or commercial [UNCLEAR] and you had to send them a planning application for it , you 'd have to prove that building could support the weight .
[PS3C0]
What I 'm saying is this . If Tipton Scouts have written to us and said that under the grant that we 're trying to give tonight , towards [UNCLEAR] . If they said , would you please give five hundred pounds towards our running costs , there 's a chance we would have looked at it
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
We 'd have looked at it . What they 're doing is actually going a lot further , and supply us all the their ac accounts and details , and they 've actually sort of called it a grant for partial costs of materials , right , so we 're actually [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
Is it not incumbent though , on the councillor or ward councillor to make sure when the money has been granted , that how it 's used and spent , so he 's going to keep an eye on it , anyway ? Because , that 's part of the thing , that the , the ward councillor is meant to b keep an eye on the actual project
[PS3C0]
Well , I 've just seen a new way forward
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
why do n't we get a report on this , [UNCLEAR] [ANONYMIZATION] I mean he 's more operative , I mean , [UNCLEAR] to consider , the building is worthy of what something or other [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
Well , there 's no harm in you doing it , is there ?
[PS3C0]
[UNCLEAR] your ward , your ward ,
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
you 're experienced in this sort of thing .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[PS3C0]
I would like to think that we 've pass [UNCLEAR] for two hundred and fifty , subject to Trevor being satisfied . Wait a minute .
[HYJPSUNK]
How did this hut started , was it , did it start as an agricultural building , or a house , or a just a plan hut ?
[PS3C0]
I think it started as an agricultural building , which they got for nothing . And transported there , and they 've re-done it , and put it on site with a concrete floor . Quite impressive .
[HYJPSUNK]
There 's no reason why you should get somebody [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
I do n't call for it , but I think he 's right in bringing it along .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] ask you for it , is as it was reasonably sound , there is no reason why it should just sit and suddenly collapse .
[HYJPSUNK]
No .
[HYJPSUNK]
Then it 's the first [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
It 's the basic principle . I mean , I 'm not after [UNCLEAR] money , but you , you 've , you 've got to make sure you 're giving the money to , to a project like that , the thing is viable .
[HYJPSUNK]
That 's right . We are the caretakers of this pub public community 's money .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
And it 's only right that we should say how it 's spent .
[HYJPSUNK]
But surely that is n't the case , I mean that , you know , we ca n't be responsible for the way in which all these groups actually behave and all the rest
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
I , I , I agree with you
[HYJPSUNK]
We have to draw the line at some point .
[PS3C0]
Yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
I mean , it 's like Rio , you know , somebody could crawl
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
underneath it , you know , under those trucks or something , but I mean we , we , we ca n't be responsible for that .
[PS3C0]
What we 're here to do is
[HYJPSUNK]
gone and do [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
showing more initiative . We 're trying sports and
[HYJPSUNK]
Is there anything in the constitution anywhere , cos I happily to go along with that if it 's written in
[PS3C0]
Whose constitution ?
[HYJPSUNK]
Or , wh what that , that we just give out grants , and we 're not responsible how the money is spent . I think that 's irresponsible .
[HYJPSUNK]
It 's worth looking into , I think .
[HYJPSUNK]
It 's just that , nowadays in life , you make a mistake and someone bangs you on the head for it .
[PS3C0]
Oh , making it for quite a while
[HYJPSUNK]
Yes .
[PS3C0]
with [UNCLEAR] as it turned out .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yes .
[PS3C0]
Erm , the money is here for us to allocate .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yes , I know .
[PS3C0]
The council passed it for allocation to youth activities . It remains with youth activities . Now we 're not going to be able to go out and check where , which way that every pound is spent .
[HYJPSUNK]
No , I , I appreciate that .
[PS3C0]
Right .
[HYJPSUNK]
You 've got a squadron that need a training course .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
What about the lady first with the books , I mean , th th that could , someone could fall out , lose interest , you 've given a grant [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Sure . Well , look at Tipton Play Area .
[HYJPSUNK]
This is what 's at the back of my mind
[PS3C0]
The minute we stop doing this , we might as well stop the whole plans procedure . That 's how I view it .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[PS3C0]
And we 're here to try and , alright if , if seven out of the ten that we look up tonight come through , we 've done well . No . At the end of the day , you ca n't be one hundred percent , but I 'm , I , I think it 's a good idea , that we actually pass something to the people , pending Trevor being happy .
[HYJPSUNK]
I think that 's a [UNCLEAR] yeah .
[PS3C0]
He 'll look on that . So , do you agree two hundred and fifty pounds ?
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah , I think I 'll go along with that .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah , I think it 's a good investment . Sounds good , anyway .
[PS3C0]
Right . Okay . A hundred and eighty five is erm , the Boxing Club . Er , I was hoping the president of the Boxing Club , Councillor [ANONYMIZATION] would have been here tonight . Erm , they 're applying for a grant of five hundred pounds for equipment , equipment being a Senior Stand Ball , cost two hundred and eighty , and a new canvas for the boxing ring , cost two hundred and twenty pound . Er , this is obviously in answer to the questionnaire , yes they have four hundred and fifty pound in the bank , and yes they do organize boxing tournaments for self-help . Must say , I know some of you do n't like boxing , erm , I was at the last tournament in Honiton . It was very well organized , and I 'm impressed with the way the kids behave at these dos , and I 'd like to see you support it .
[HYJPSUNK]
I see you 've add three hundred pounds , is that right ?
[PS3C0]
Yeah . Th that this , erm , what you bear in mind , that this is out of our usual grants .
[HYJPSUNK]
Did they have one this year ?
[HYJPSUNK]
Yes .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yes .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
They had one thi but this is out of our grants . This is specifically for our youth grants . So , quite rightly , they 've already had some support , and at that time , we did n't know how much money , you know , we were working on a different budget .
[PS3C2]
Can I just ask , is Ottery St Mary erm , Boxing Club and , Otter
[PS3C0]
Yes ,
[PS3C2]
they 're
[PS3C0]
Yes ,
[PS3C2]
one and the same ?
[PS3C0]
Yeah ,
[HYJPSUNK]
They thought it would draw people in from a wider
[PS3C0]
They 're trying to draw from a wider , yeah
[HYJPSUNK]
area
[HYJPSUNK]
My question [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Comments .
[PS3C3]
Yes , I think we should er , give them something , but seeing as they 've had three hundred pound , I think [UNCLEAR] or less or perhaps two hundred pound , they 've got the five hundred , do they want erm , anything else .
[PS3C0]
They 've asked us for five .
[HYJPSUNK]
They 've asked for five .
[PS3C0]
If you wan na give them half of that . Two fifty .
[PS3C3]
Well , you 'll have to think how much [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C2]
Mr [ANONYMIZATION] , you know that 's [UNCLEAR] grant
[PS3C0]
Yeah , I know
[PS3C2]
work out all the way down .
[PS3C0]
I 've added it all up .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Well I , well I , I mean I 've had to do my homework , before I come on this meeting for you , and I , and if I can start at the back and work forwards we have got enough money .
[PS3C2]
Right .
[PS3C0]
Right . We have got enough money
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
to give 'em five hundred , actually .
[HYJPSUNK]
Right .
[PS3C0]
If we gave them the five hundred , we wo n't , we are within , having said that , we 're not going to give everybody everything , I do n't think . So I mean , I think that would be quite fair if we erm , given 'em two hundred and fifty pounds , at this stage , or
[HYJPSUNK]
Further [UNCLEAR] in the summer . Two hundred [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Two hundred and eighty .
[HYJPSUNK]
Well , [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Well , why do n't we do that then ? Support one of the two items they 've asked for .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
They 've asked for a stand-ball . Cost two hundred and eighty .
[PS3C1]
Yes .
[PS3C0]
You happy to pay that on receipt of invoices for that money ?
[HYJPSUNK]
Yes .
[PS3C2]
Yes .
[PS3C0]
Right .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] two fifty [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
No , hang on .
[PS3C0]
No , you 're
[HYJPSUNK]
Personally , I mean , I 'm against er , encouraging [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
Boxing
[HYJPSUNK]
but er , I do n't I , I obviously gone have a way of doing this , but erm , it 's difficult , if you , if you 're at the bottom of the
[HYJPSUNK]
No .
[HYJPSUNK]
of the agenda , I mean [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
It 's gon na be alright
[HYJPSUNK]
dropping off the end .
[HYJPSUNK]
No .
[PS3C0]
I promise you , I promise you that is n't [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] grant available .
[HYJPSUNK]
I do n't think you [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
Oh , yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
Right , erm ,
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Communities Theatre , erm , of er th they want a grant to support their current production . Now , I 've put this in a as youth , because I do think there are quite a , a large number of young people in this , and erm , as , as broadly across the spectrum er , as , as we can , as we can give it , erm they 're expecting to pay three hundred and ninety five pound of hire charges for the institute and on top of this it 's necessary to hire extra lighting , as the existing sy system is unsuitable for the theatrical use . And they have a bill , an [UNCLEAR] bill of two hundred and fifty four pounds for the lighting , erm they think it 's an important [UNCLEAR] community opportunity to have good entertainment on their doorstep , and they 've only been able to balance their proposed production this year , by putting up the price by fifty pence . So they 're actually charging people a little bit more to get in to the pantomime this year . I would have thought that if we were to put forward the two hundred and fifty pound to cover the , their extra lighting bill , that would have been money well spent .
[HYJPSUNK]
How much are they asking for ?
[PS3C0]
They 've actually said , that their cost of three hundred and ninety five pound , out of which two hundred and fifty is for lighting .
[HYJPSUNK]
Personally , I 'd love to see us support it to the hilt , because I believe that , you know , the community theatre , above all else in Ottery , really does give it a good name . Excellent productions . Very well , professionally , done . And , you know , for a small place like Ottery , you know , I mean , Honiton , as far as I know has n't got anything like this .
[HYJPSUNK]
No , [UNCLEAR] years ago .
[HYJPSUNK]
Brings in all sorts of Sorry ?
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] companies of Ottery as a community place , about five or six years ago , were n't it ?
[HYJPSUNK]
That 's right , that 's right .
[HYJPSUNK]
That 's when it all started . I chaired the first meeting in the institute .
[HYJPSUNK]
You know , it 's no amateur sort erm , well it is amateur , but I mean , it 's very [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C3]
As long as it 's going to run , I mean , I do n't know , I think , I think they up against [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Everybody says give a bit more than that .
[HYJPSUNK]
I think , I think , I 'd love to see us give this full amount . I mean , I know , for instance , the institute charges for them are crippling them , you know , and to put on a production is incredibly expensive . And to think , you know , I mean , one of the people came along tonight , actually very much involved in it . The people that do this , spend a hell of a lot of time and energy doing it . Repairing costumes
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
I could , I could go along with Phil on that . Erm , it is a real community pro I do n't watch it , I 'm not interested in it , but it is a real community project and obviously reaches right to the family . The family of this community . And I think it might be as well to support it .
[PS3C0]
Right . Trevor .
[PS3C5]
I , I been thinking
[PS3C0]
Right .
[PS3C5]
we take advantage of it , not just [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Well , in actual fact we 've cut down on the boxing bit
[PS3C5]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
from what I thought , perhaps . We could give 'em a bit more , we could give , we could give 'em the four hundred pounds .
[PS3C3]
What , that there ?
[PS3C0]
Community , together , if you wanted to .
[HYJPSUNK]
Well , I think we ought to [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C3]
Depends on on the success of their audience they got for the pantomime , not
[PS3C2]
It does n't look like [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C3]
They 've got to do it , but I mean
[HYJPSUNK]
I think we should , you should support these , Phil . I , I would like to think they 'd been supported the same as the boxing club , but after all the boxing club is for youths , and I think they 've got to look after the youths erm , try and find something for them to do , as much as erm , [UNCLEAR] community [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
They work hard .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
I mean , to my , to my mind ,
[HYJPSUNK]
They do n't want to know
[PS3C0]
I mean , a lot of these grants go sporting wise , very few are arts type grants , and it 's something that a lot of people participate , and a lot of people get pleasure out of . They put their , they put their tickets up by fifty pence , which is [UNCLEAR] itself out .
[PS3C3]
You see , they do charge for people to go and see it .
[PS3C0]
Yeah . They do .
[PS3C3]
They have to do [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
I , I propose from the chair , we give 'em four hundred pound .
[PS3C3]
I declare my interest , Mr Chairman , [UNCLEAR] I think I 'm the Vice President , so [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
They given the same grant [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Well , why do n't you get that in writing , yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
I was going to .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Right . All agree , all agree ?
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
I do n't actually think that a Vice Presidency is somehow , should rule you out of organization
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Okay . Move on to number one eight seven . The [UNCLEAR] Sports Centre . Now , I think this is a very interesting reply to our advert . They 're , er , th they 've got three suggestions been made , which to consider or discuss further . One is a lump sum to be given to the Sports Centre to be used to offset junior activities of their choice . The centre would then , were promoting this activity as they were n't supported by Ottery town council . This scheme would benefit anyone participating in the chosen activity not just Ottery youth . Two , a lump sum to be held by the town council , to be used as a form of grant , or financial support for low income families , students , unemployed , etcetera , on production of the relevant proof , erm , depending on the individual 's needs , this could be either a full financial or part financial support for an activity of the person 's choice , and this scheme could be used purely for Ottery based people . Three , a lump sum could be given to the centre for training employment of certain Ottery teenagers . We have , over the years , employed several students , but over the last few , have been unable to do so , for financial constraints . A youth training fund would enable us to continue this scheme , not only with a view to employment , but enabling us to provide training and development of personal skills , which would benefit them in future employment or future education . There . Three interesting concepts . Purely a matter of personal choice . I s I , I like the first one . A lump sum can be given , and then erm , they administer it . But I do n't know that we can get in the day to day running of the Sports Centre .
[HYJPSUNK]
How much have they asked for ?
[PS3C0]
Well , they have n't asked . But I , in my workings out , I 'd thought five hundred pounds was the you know you can give 'em a lot less than that , and not , not gon na fund much of an activity , I do n't think the silence was deafening .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
Well , I 'm afraid I 'm against the erm , Sports Centre to be honest . For the amount of money we pay , so much now , towards this [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
and such like , I think we support it very well . But , then again , it does do a good thing , and I would n't be against giving them some support ,
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
But I think we do as a council , support that Sports Centre very well at the moment , which we did n't expect to be doing .
[PS3C0]
Well , all I , all I can say , and I take your point , is there is an awful large number of Ottery people using that place , and I think that that , I think East Devon do a very very good job with the Sports Centre , and we all know the [UNCLEAR] giving a
[HYJPSUNK]
Yes .
[PS3C0]
four thousand pound a year grant . But this is n't one-off , is it ? This is something different again
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Town Clerk .
[PS3C0]
I think just to answer that the , the pitch , because obviously I looked into this , and tried to get a reduction ,
[HYJPSUNK]
Yes .
[PS3C0]
the amount we have to pay for the pitch is no fault of the [UNCLEAR] Centre , it 's the fact that East Devon and Devon County permitted competitive pitches to be opened up quite close ,
[HYJPSUNK]
Quite close , yes .
[PS3C0]
long after they said they would n't , because I understand there was a firm assurance , there would n't be other pitches around . And , all of a sudden , they opened them in competition . We lost the [UNCLEAR] team , we lost all sorts of things .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yes , but why they got the [UNCLEAR] to offer it , because we were promised that this , this event would be decreased .
[PS3C0]
Would be decreased
[HYJPSUNK]
That given time , they would be a self-supporting [UNCLEAR] but those of us , there was Axminster , there was Exeter , there was Exmouth [UNCLEAR] er , they 've all got them [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Honiton , Exmouth , [UNCLEAR] . But , if we had n't of paid the four thousand , there would n't be a pitch there now .
[HYJPSUNK]
Well , that , that 's what they said . I mean , would n't know , I would n't know , I was n't here at the time .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Difference , you know ,
[HYJPSUNK]
Yes .
[PS3C0]
is , is whether you support Richard [ANONYMIZATION] 's initiative , in coming forward to ask us to try and support a different scheme . Perhaps a scheme , where they say , sponsored by Ottery Town Council .
[HYJPSUNK]
I 'd sooner see that kinda thing , than er , sponsoring a whole , sort of , like a hall , or something like that .
[PS3C0]
Yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yes , I agree with that . I , I think you have to be sure
[PS3C0]
To offset junior activities of their choice ,
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[PS3C0]
I , I , would it be , would it be erm , wrong of me to ask you say , grant up to five hundred pounds , and I go in and talk to him , so we come back with a council , with a scheme . We keep the money , rather than just say , there 's five hundred pound . Let's find out what scheme [UNCLEAR] first .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] Mr Chairman , I like , I like the sound of that .
[PS3C0]
Alright .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
We 've got to do that , really .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[PS3C0]
Yeah , we ca n't just throw five hundred pounds , [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
I 'd like to explore these
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
these additional schemes , and not er subsidize one [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Well .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
Well I , I look on this all with a [UNCLEAR] I do n't think , I do n't think we [UNCLEAR] regret East Devon a step with every everything you come to . I would have thought the community
[PS3C0]
I 'm going down to the [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah . Well , I 'm looking at this , we did n't promise not about this , any more than the community there once [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Well , by very few people .
[HYJPSUNK]
More people , could get benefit out of the five hundred , then there what there is for four .
[PS3C0]
I can assure you , the way it 's going , at the end of the annual review
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] just going .
[PS3C0]
at the end of , no we wo n't . At the end of the night , we 're still gon na have some money , which we 've got ta get spent , or w would hope to get spent by next March , so we 're gon na have you to come in again . We 're gon na have to look for more , you know , it 's December now ,
[HYJPSUNK]
Mm .
[PS3C0]
and you 've got the money to use by March ,
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[PS3C0]
and they 're all pretty valid , and I can assure you that , if we allow up to a maximum of five hundred and we check out what they 're doing with it , and we put all the right s it 's not going to be money wasted .
[HYJPSUNK]
Well , let's put it the other way . Why , why should we give five hundred to the Sports Centre , and only four hundred to the community centre ?
[PS3C0]
Cos that 's what they asked for
[HYJPSUNK]
Or three hundred to the something else , three hundred to erm ,
[PS3C0]
Well , cos hopefully , hopefully ,
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah
[PS3C0]
we 're tying all these grants
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[PS3C0]
to what people have asked for , rather than just saying , I mean , it would be very easy , if you said , right , all the people who 've applied , we 'll give them five hundred pound each . But that 's not really the way to do , is it ?
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] why not give them what they asked for , since you
[PS3C0]
Because , hopefully , the product of this discussion is that we 'll look at each grant , judge it on its merits , and then come up with what we think 's the right figure .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
So I 'll be proposing , we have five hundred pound based on satisfactory outcome of the discussions . All those in favour ?
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah , I think rather a good idea .
[PS3C0]
Right . Fine . Busy Otters Play Group . Erm , they 're writing on behalf of the , to apply for a grant as detailed in the advert , erm , and basically , erm , it 's , it , they 're , they 're , they 're really asking for us for help to keep the thing running .
[HYJPSUNK]
Mm .
[PS3C0]
They 're not asking for anything in specific . They 're actually saying , can you please , seeing as you 've got this money for youth , help us keep the job going .
[HYJPSUNK]
I think they 're they doing a good job , actually .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[PS3C0]
And we 've , you know I put down two hundred and fifty pounds .
[HYJPSUNK]
I think that 's er , that 's a fair assessment for them . I think they will be well pleased with that , to be honest .
[PS3C0]
Councillor [ANONYMIZATION]
[PS3C4]
Sorry , er , sorry , Mr Chairman , I 'm just thinking about it . I do n't erm , I do n't erm ,
[HYJPSUNK]
You hear what he said ?
[PS3C4]
I do n't see anything wrong with the proposal , I erm , I 'm not against any of this . I mean I think we should er ,
[PS3C0]
They have , they have sent up very detail detailed accounts ,
[PS3C4]
They are , they 're master of speci specific amount . Or have they ?
[HYJPSUNK]
I second two hundred and fifty
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Right . All those in favour ?
[HYJPSUNK]
Yes .
[PS3C0]
Thank you . Otter Vale Hockey Club .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Well , they 've sent us in an application er , very detailed , very go good letter , actually . And what they 're actually asking for is some help towards item of kit , erm , a goalkeeping helmet , sixty pounds . Pads , hundred and twenty . Chest pads , fifty two . Tickers [UNCLEAR] is that Tickers [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
Tickers .
[PS3C0]
Sixty five pounds , gloves , forty and a set of shirts , two hundred and fifty eight . They say a set of gear is costing them five hundred and ninety five pounds . They 're running five teams , from five to nine year olds upwards . They charge they charge twenty five pounds erm , subscription and two pounds for each game that people play . Erm , they 're actually asking us to supply one set of gear . So they they 're actually asking us for five hundred and ninety five pounds .
[HYJPSUNK]
Sorry , Mr Chairman , I 'm only thinking aloud .
[PS3C0]
I put down five hundred on my lists for you to decide .
[HYJPSUNK]
It is surprising how much this has widened out in the last twelve months , to be honest . Erm , the amount that young children and adults that are playing hockey now , surprised me . I , in actual fact , went there and erm , just thinking about it [UNCLEAR] The amount of people that 's involved with it now , is astronomical to be honest , I did n't realize the interest was in hockey as it is .
[HYJPSUNK]
No .
[HYJPSUNK]
Erm , I would say , say yes , we support 'em . To how much , Mr Chairman , I will leave that [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
We , we , we can afford , within the scope of what we 've got , we can afford to pay five hundred pounds .
[HYJPSUNK]
You see , then , then my argument is the same , well , why give the Hockey Club five hundred pounds , and the Play Group only two fifty ? You see , that
[HYJPSUNK]
You ca n't [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
The Play Group with er , people with small children , and erm [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
Perhaps only thirty people in the hockey field .
[HYJPSUNK]
Right . Proposal .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] six hundred [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah . I propose [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Anybody second that ?
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
All those in favour ?
[HYJPSUNK]
It must be , must n't it ?
[HYJPSUNK]
Aye .
[PS3C0]
Five hundred , out of the five ninety . Again on receipt of the bills for that .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
We 've got erm , the next application in from the station centre for a youth and community activities . Their problem is that they 've lost five hundred pounds . Which was the anticipated work for the detached youth worker , erm , project . They er , are making the building available to , to Rio . They are supporting several other different users , but clearly if the five hundred pound , which they were anticipating , does n't come to them they are in grave financial difficulties again . Whether you wish to support the , that , that building
[HYJPSUNK]
Can I just make a point
[PS3C0]
Yes .
[HYJPSUNK]
for the future . Erm , I 've been in discussion , because I 've been trying to rescue their electricity bill situation , which is again , something which has blown up on them . Their lease runs out at the end of , I think it 's April , and we are going to receive an approach from Devon County Council , that we become involved in any extension of that as a council , and that perhaps we offer them rather more in the way of guidance , which I think , is their main need . And rather than make it into a viable erm , organization . Erm , we 're not ready with the proposal yet , because obviously we have n't had anything to come to us . But if this station youth centre is to continue , and I think personally that it is very important that it does , and that it develops . But it 's controlled in a way rather differently to that which it 's controlled now . Erm , obviously , as soon as we get something , it 'll be put before the council , but this is just an interim thing ,
[HYJPSUNK]
Yes , yes , yes .
[HYJPSUNK]
so that it stays afloat .
[HYJPSUNK]
I think part of the problem with the station youth centre , surely is that , we do n't seem to know from one year to another , what the future 's gon na be , other , you know , there does n't seem to be any forward planning whatsoever .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
And , personally , I mean , I know , having been there in the evening in that hall , it 's , it 's not very easy to hire it out , but it 's freezing still . You know , I mean , there 's draughts coming in , in here and there and everywhere . The whole place has got an air of being run down , and county council , I think to be honest , would quite like it to fall down , or just to be able to develop the whole site .
[PS3C0]
Well .
[HYJPSUNK]
We 've got planning applications , have n't we ?
[PS3C0]
Yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
So I think th th that the one thing which is good I think , is a possibility of re-opening it up , and possibly using it to a fuller extent , which might actually give it er , er , new lease of life .
[HYJPSUNK]
Well , also erm , the Education Authority , if it were used properly , would be prepared to make more money available to it . Erm , at the moment , they 're looking to give , possibly a prefer a preferential grant to the one that 's there now for any cost of a hiring from Devon County Council .
[HYJPSUNK]
They said what they mean by using it properly , I mean
[HYJPSUNK]
Well , this has got to come in a letter , I mean , this is what we want . Erm , they have n't said , because at the moment , it 's , it 's at the end of one lease , or nearly the end of one lease , with some small horror stories in there of sorts , and I think it 's got to come on to
[PS3C0]
We did , er , we re we were hopeful , that in the next few months , there would be a full scale debate on the future on this building , and that we as the council , will take some initiative in , in actually the , the renewal of the lease . If we do n't grant a , what 's going there now , it could well be that by default , the building will revert to the county council , and it would be lost to the people of Ottery . Clearly , I do n't want to see us having just an open ended thing , that every time they get into trouble , we bail them out , but I do think that we need to give breathing space now , until we can come with a , a , a decent set of proposals for the future of the building . Remembering of course , that they have painted the outside , the county council , but clearly , erm , there is need for a fair refurbishment package inside . In my discussions with the police , it was one of the buildings we offered them , and I went with erm , the new inspector [ANONYMIZATION] to look at that , and I still said they were somewhat put off by the cold austere sort of feeling of the place . But there are possible ,
[HYJPSUNK]
Potential 's there .
[PS3C0]
I know that , I know that erm , the existing committee are drawing up proposals for their refurbishment of the place , erm , obviously to look for , for help towards it . I think we as a town , do n't want to lose , we got precious few buildings , for community use , and I think we need to look at this to the different light now . I think we need to say , okay , in the future , what are we , the town , gon na do , to make this building right for what we want for the town .
[HYJPSUNK]
Mm .
[PS3C0]
Rather than think , oh well , there 's a couple of people , group running it , that 's near enough and it 's good enough . And I think we 've reached the stage , where the county council said , you come to us with a new initiative , and we 're far more likely to be , bend over to help you , than , than under the present . So on , on that basis , I would hope you feel that we could support 'em , to make up the shortfall in rent , which will in actual fact be paid on by them in rent , to keep the place occupiable .
[HYJPSUNK]
Who , who runs the new centre now ?
[PS3C0]
It 's , it 's the same committee run by er , well it 's the station and , and station centre for community and [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
It 's used only [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Oh , yes indeed , there 's , there 's quite a few users . St John 's Ambulance are based there , erm , they 're all sorts of different clu are you still involved in it ?
[PS3C2]
No .
[HYJPSUNK]
No , use the theatre .
[PS3C0]
Yeah . It 's , it 's got quite a lot erm , users who would be without a home , albeit boxing club .
[HYJPSUNK]
I think we 'll have to support that .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yes , yes , yes . [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
As long as it 's being used , then I think we 've got ta keep it .
[PS3C0]
Right . You 're happy with the five hundred ?
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
I see wi with the additional five hundred last year , I should think you could n't do less than that , could you ?
[PS3C0]
Right . Fine . Now then , that 's one , one [UNCLEAR] is the [UNCLEAR] squad room , Air Training Corps . Now the reason we 've got this , is there are quite a few erm , Ottery boys who are members of this corps , and get taken down there by bus every Friday evening , and the Town Clerk erm , went to speak to them .
[PS3C0]
Yeah , I attended , I used to run an A T C squad , well I used to run the two different ones in London , and A T C squadrons , and I must say I 've been invited to the last two open nights . There was one about a fortnight ago , and would have given my ears for the sort of civilian committee , and the methods that they 're using here , compared with the ones I saw in London . It 's well run , there 's a good attendance , they 've got some very very good results on examinations this year , and of course this is all extra to their school work . They 're smart , the place is well maintained , and I think anything we can do to support the general thing there , and certainly the Ottery youth there is , is , is money well spent .
[PS3C0]
Out of their membership of twenty four , do you know how many are Ottery ?
[HYJPSUNK]
I think it 's about six .
[PS3C0]
Six .
[PS3C0]
They 've got two thousand seven hundred pounds in the deposit account , erm , they 'll be applying to Sidmouth town council for a grant , er the reason for the grant , they 've asked for two hundred and fifty , is to sponsor as many cadets as possible to take part in activities at Haven Banks . Which I guess is a
[HYJPSUNK]
It 's er educa er training centre .
[PS3C0]
Er , Trevor .
[HYJPSUNK]
Mr Chairman , this , in actual fact , I can put a little bit of light on to this , I mean , having had two of my children , erm , attended this , Air Training Corps . Basically th there are two members that come over to Ottery , and pick the kids up in their own transport , when the A T C transport is unavailable , which they [UNCLEAR] . They take them there , they train them and they bring them back again in the evenings as well . I might , my children in actual fact have been flown around Scotland in the Nimrods and such like . They do do a lot , they travel all over the country , er , and I think it 's a worthwhile thing , I mean , you see the kids dressed up smart . I , I in actual fact went to the er , Remembrance Day Parade and to see those kids do a silent drill , it 's unbelievable . In fact , it 's very tearful . I , I
[PS3C0]
Right could we
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] myself and I think it 's a very good er [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
They asked for two hundred and fifty pounds .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yes , yes .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] the thing I 'm thinking about , I mean terribly keen on , you know , training wh whatever the basis for it is , I mean , we do n't want to start a discussion on that . But must [UNCLEAR] but I do n't know how much further I want to go along that sort of line . Erm , but I think , I mean , do n't we have to be a bit careful about supporting other organizations in other towns ?
[HYJPSUNK]
We have given them a grant , er a couple of years ago .
[HYJPSUNK]
I 'm just thinking in terms of if if I can just finish .
[PS3C0]
Well , we do , we do support sorry .
[HYJPSUNK]
If those six children , you know , turn out to be , you know , this would be , this year or next year or whatever , erm , what 's going to happen next year ? You know , are we going to get requests again when they are n't Ottery children ?
[PS3C0]
I think we would have verify that there are Ottery kids taking part in that particular year .
[HYJPSUNK]
That is , that is the least I 've known it
[PS3C0]
Yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
six . I mean there 's usually two car loads used to go across when my kids were there .
[PS3C0]
Yeah . I mean we do support , do n't we , things like the talking newspaper across the area , because there 's , and we do support like erm , Mrs [ANONYMIZATION] 's holiday for youngsters , although they are not all Ottery kids , but I mean the fact of the matter is , I think we would need each time we look at any of this , that there are Ottery youngsters involved .
[HYJPSUNK]
Well , equally you could n't have an A T C Squadron in every small town or village in the country , and therefore they 've got to be , I mean , just as much as Otter Valley Boxing Club has extended its range to get more people , so the A T C have to be in some particular place .
[HYJPSUNK]
Mm .
[HYJPSUNK]
Because there 's quite a lot of equipment supplied from M O D to , to support them .
[PS3C0]
Right . Erm . They 've asked us for two hundred and fifty pounds [UNCLEAR] proposal .
[HYJPSUNK]
Right , right , I 'll [UNCLEAR] Mr Chairman , I think that 's alright .
[PS3C0]
Seconded . Right , all in favour ? Any [UNCLEAR] Right , two hundred and fifty pound it is . One nine two , the Ottery St Mary Football Club 's youth section . Erm , I 've got a three four four page letter from the Ottery youth section , erm , and their we run at the moment three teams of boys between the age of ten and sixteen . Er , we have approximately sixty boys signed on for the three teams , all of whom come from the Ottery area . We have considerable success with all the teams in the past few years , and even when not winning , the boys enjoy their football . Our expenses in running these teams include league and club entry fees , referees fees , refreshments , nets for goals , footballs and three sets of kit and changes of kit , in case of a colour clash . We pay for each boy to have a trophy at the end of the season to recognize that he had represented Ottery throughout the season . Erm , the kit that these boys are wearing is a number of years old , and therefore we are going to need think about replacing it at the end of this season . We would like to be able standardize the kit so all three teams wear the same colours . To replace this kid would cost a thousand pounds . The fund raising we did [UNCLEAR] covers our cost and we rely heavily on the goodwill of parents and friends to provide transport every Sunday . Erm , we are , we are at present at the moment spending money upgrading facilities for the youths . We 've already used , improved the supporters ' hut to provide shelter for the many people who watch the matches , from which to serve teas . There 's still a great deal to do to upgrade the changing facilities for the boys , all the work is carried out by parents and friends , but the materials cost money . We 're a forward [UNCLEAR] as many ideas for improving new football . At present , we have also got twenty five boys aged between eight and eleven who attend training for the under twelve team . Only thirteen players can pick to play each week , with a four in un un under eleven team . And so it goes on . And finishes off by saying , erm , our Youth Committee Chairman , Roland [ANONYMIZATION] have a forward looking attitude to developing and improving youth [UNCLEAR] for many years to come , for as many boys as possible , and we would like to apply for a grant for a thousand pound to cover the cost of providing these new kits for three teams . I hope you will look favourably on this request [UNCLEAR] Comments .
[HYJPSUNK]
Are they asking for a thousand , are they ?
[PS3C0]
Yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
I mean , seeing the amount of kids that do go out there , and the state of the changing rooms that they are using at the moment , I , I think it 's really degrading .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] three [UNCLEAR] one hundred and thirty [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Yeah . Three one three O.
[HYJPSUNK]
I do n't know what you think , Mr Chairman , but I just [UNCLEAR] still five hundred the same as the Youth Centre , the erm [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Right , proposal ,
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah , I second that .
[HYJPSUNK]
I propose .
[PS3C4]
I propose .
[PS3C0]
Right , all in favour of five hundred ?
[PS3C4]
Hockey Club [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Right . I think that 's , thank you Councillor [ANONYMIZATION] , that 's excellent .
[PS3C4]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
Three six , three O , now .
[PS3C0]
Three six , three O.
[HYJPSUNK]
We 'll have the running total in a minute . [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Right . Er , Ottery St Mary Scout roof repairs , amount request a thousand pounds . Membership of the organization , one hundred and four boys . Membership fifteen pounds per annum . Balance sheet , quote for three thousand pounds to strip the existing roof covering , and basically well , they 're putting on a new roof .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] Is , is this [UNCLEAR] building here not so long ago ?
[PS3C4]
Yes , that 's the ones where you put a little under six thousand .
[PS3C0]
Is n't that , meant we , we say that [UNCLEAR] I know time goes on but in years they took to pay the loan . So it 's a ten year old building and they 're
[HYJPSUNK]
Is it ?
[PS3C0]
looking to re-felt the roof .
[HYJPSUNK]
And was it a flat , flat roof ?
[PS3C0]
Er
[HYJPSUNK]
No .
[PS3C0]
no , it , er I ca n't remember what it was . No .
[HYJPSUNK]
Is it a gabled roof , is it ?
[PS3C4]
I forget what [UNCLEAR] when they ordered , but I [UNCLEAR] can not remember now .
[PS3C0]
Probably flat , one of them . Hot , hot , hot bonding and
[HYJPSUNK]
Oh , it 's got ta be a flat roof then .
[PS3C0]
Yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
In fact , I mean , yeah , ten year ,
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
that 's all you 'll get out of 'em .
[PS3C0]
They got ta
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
soak
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[PS3C0]
soak the roofing . Yeah ten years , about right . What they 're applying for . The bill , th the , it 's three thousand pound , and they 're asking us for a thousand . Looks a bona fide , I mean , obviously , we want to make sure the work 's done . What do you think ?
[HYJPSUNK]
I ca n't think what building it is then , if it 's got a flat roof .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Yeah , they 're all , [UNCLEAR] there 's another one along the end .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C4]
I have for a number of years [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
Tipton Scouts , Tipton Scouts two fifty .
[PS3C0]
Yeah , but Tipton Scouts , you 've already had one this year .
[PS3C4]
Yeah , that 's right [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
And this is , I mean , what they 're asking , actually to be fair to them they 've put in for a thousand pound against three .
[HYJPSUNK]
They 've asked for a third . They 've asked for a third of what [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Erm ,
[PS3C4]
I , I , I go along as same as the other , five hundred [UNCLEAR] that 's my way of thinking , but I do n't know what everybody else thinks .
[PS3C0]
I , I think we should [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
We did n't , we did n't on the first request . Instead of giving it a grant , [UNCLEAR] they paid back their money .
[PS3C0]
Yeah , they done very well , really .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Would you , would you agree to seven fifty , Councillor [ANONYMIZATION] would you ?
[PS3C4]
I [UNCLEAR] have nothing against the Scouts , I 'm all in favour of them actually . I just sort of
[PS3C0]
Mm . We can afford the thousand pound , if you think it 's right . They 've got a hundred and four boys , Cubs and Scouts .
[HYJPSUNK]
Well they , seeing the Ottery [UNCLEAR] , whatever you call it , they did put in a lot of work down there , there seem to be a lot of Scouts about . I , I like to hear what the rest of erm , the Committee got to say on it , actually . I mean , it 's , I seem to be talking quite a bit here tonight .
[PS3C0]
I 'm glad you came .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] this year is it being [UNCLEAR] these people must be given to understand ,
[PS3C0]
Oh yes ,
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
yes , it 's up to us
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
it 's up to us , we either [UNCLEAR] the club out or we do n't .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[PS3C4]
If we 've got enough money , I mean [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Thank you . But let's remember this . What we were criticized and several senior councillors quite rightly said , the five thousand pound we were spending was only going to a very few .
[HYJPSUNK]
But now it 's
[PS3C0]
What we 've done tonight , is spread that amount of money over a tremendous number of people tonight
[HYJPSUNK]
Yes , yes , yes , yes .
[PS3C0]
and you would have to say , that the benefit 's gon na be far more , far reaching than it was before .
[HYJPSUNK]
I think yes [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
So what we 're talking about is [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C4]
[UNCLEAR] Scouts or Guides all use it or [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
I think they do , do n't they ?
[HYJPSUNK]
I think they did .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Yeah , I think they do .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah . She , she did mention the Guides when she came into the talk with me .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
I mean , I think , I think that considering the work they , we ought to be looking at giving them the grant .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Right , a proposal from the chair . A thousand pounds .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
All in favour ? Any against ? Fine , and the running total there [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
How many hands have you had in favour ?
[PS3C0]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
How many hands in favour ?
[PS3C0]
Er , all of 'em . [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] I make it fifteen [UNCLEAR] left .
[PS3C2]
[UNCLEAR] running out [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
Four six , four six three O.
[HYJPSUNK]
I make it fifteen minutes to go .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] I have n't done anything wrong .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C2]
It 's just that it 's running out rather quickly , [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
[UNCLEAR] got there now .
[PS3C2]
We have , have we ?
[PS3C0]
This is , that 's that one ,
[PS3C2]
That 's , that 's
[PS3C0]
now we move on [UNCLEAR] that 's the youth one , now we move on so we now , we 've got one thousand
[HYJPSUNK]
I make it , on fifteen oh two left . Balance .
[PS3C0]
One thousand , five hundred and two pound left to spend . So that , what did you make the running total [UNCLEAR] ?
[HYJPSUNK]
Four six three O.
[PS3C0]
That 's it , [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
So , four six three O. And I added it all up to four six five O. So somebody had gone [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
Oh , I may be wrong [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
No , no , I meant , that 's what I did before . Well , no , do n't pack your papers away [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] I , I did promise that I 'd be away at eight o'clock .
[PS3C0]
Right .
[PS3C4]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Thank you Councillor [ANONYMIZATION]
[HYJPSUNK]
You 're late .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
Nice to see you [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
Happy Christmas to you [ANONYMIZATION]
[PS3C4]
Thank you very much , and the same to all of you , and I hope you chaps will carry on and use it up properly .
[PS3C0]
What ?
[PS3C4]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
[UNCLEAR] we were worried about that , were n't you ? [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
Oh that 's alright [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Right , move on to part two . Move on to part two , [UNCLEAR] one nine four , war memorial .
[HYJPSUNK]
Can I suggest then , can , can we have er , preview of what each of these groups actually want , so we can see [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Right . Fine .
[HYJPSUNK]
I mean , what 's the likelihood of [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
I agree with that .
[PS3C0]
Okay . Yeah , good idea . What we 've got left in the kitty is one thousand , no
[HYJPSUNK]
No . Two one O one .
[PS3C0]
Two , one .
[HYJPSUNK]
It 's this , it 's this figure on here , of , this is what you 've given out as the total of five thousand . This now goes back to the ordinary grants money .
[PS3C0]
Right , let's , let's , I 'll run through this quickly , what I put down . The first one , I mean , er , this is not casting the stone , but this is the way I see 'em all . The first one , I think should n't come
[PS3C2]
Not really .
[PS3C0]
the first one I do n't think should come under this grant , I think it should go to enhancement . Because it 's all about enhancing the area of the war memorial , and I think that should go for next year 's enhancement . The second one , wo if we look to support the carnival and their extortionate high insurance costs . I 've put down the target figure of two hundred and fifty . The Sid Valley Talking Newspaper , we gave a hundred and fifty pound before and we have done each year . Right . The Ottery Primary School is about vandalizing er , vandalized seat , and I 've put a hundred and fifty for that . And R Rio is to supply one container plus costs of getting it there , seven hundred pound . In total that comes to twelve hundred and fifty , out of a balance of
[HYJPSUNK]
Two thousand one hundred and one .
[PS3C0]
So there 's the b
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
so there 's the basis of the discussion .
[HYJPSUNK]
Right .
[PS3C0]
Alright ?
[HYJPSUNK]
Thank you .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[PS3C0]
Okay . Now the first one , as I say , it 's from a Mr [ANONYMIZATION] it 's from a Mr [ANONYMIZATION] councillor of Porthneal it 's erm , I understand Ottery Council has some money available an immediately fund that can be used to enhance the environment . Could we suggest paving the area around West Hall War Memorial . I think that falls directly into town enhancement for next year .
[HYJPSUNK]
Town enhancement
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[PS3C0]
All agree ?
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[PS3C0]
Right .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] use all of it too .
[PS3C0]
Fine . Erm , the next one is purely from the Carnival er , towards their erm , er , expenses and they say that insurance has risen from three hundred to twelve hundred pounds . Basically , it 's another one , is n't it , where whatever money we put towards it , and the end of the day what they get left with comes back into the community . You know , they pay , they pay
[HYJPSUNK]
Oh , yeah .
[PS3C0]
various charities .
[HYJPSUNK]
The insurance , for what , er , public liability [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
Ridiculous , int , and they 're having problems of getting [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
That 's the only thing that 's gon na stop the carnival .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
You only gon na have one upset , and that 's to be the end of it .
[HYJPSUNK]
But why have they actually said , to ask specifically , I mean , you can understand it in terms of the cars , or something , cos a lot of people are claiming for everything right left and centre . But I mean , there is not a lot of tar barrel rolling around the country .
[PS3C0]
Well , what it 's all about is that er , the insurers have seen things on the telly etcetera and horrified with the result ,
[HYJPSUNK]
Yes , yes .
[PS3C0]
and basically they 're running out of companies who are prepared to insure .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yes , yes .
[PS3C0]
Even though they have n't made claims . Trevor .
[PS3C5]
Mr Chairman erm , I believe we have had a breakdown there , have n't we . Any
[PS3C0]
A break
[HYJPSUNK]
Any way of giving a breakdown , of what money they give out , do they ?
[PS3C0]
Donations wise , yeah , yeah . Erm .
[HYJPSUNK]
Would you , could you read some of those ?
[PS3C0]
Yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
Donations .
[PS3C0]
Well , in nineteen eighty four , they gave out four seven five in prize money , and three hundred pound in donations . By nineteen eighty eight , it was up to five hundred and five in prize money and eleven forty seven in donations . And in nineteen ninety three they gave a thousand and forty prize money and paid out two thousand one hundred and sixty pound on donations .
[HYJPSUNK]
They have n't give you the breakdown of donations and who they give it to ?
[PS3C0]
They have .
[HYJPSUNK]
Could you give us that ?
[PS3C0]
Last year 's . Right in nineteen ninety three , twenty five pound to the Police Widows and Orphans , hundred and fifty to the Girl Guides , two hundred and fifty Busy Otters , two hundred pound to Ottery Football , a thousand pound to Ottery Dyslexia Association , two hundred pounds to the W R V S for Talking Books for the Partially Sighted , fifty pounds for the Primary School , and fifty pounds for the St John 's Ambulance .
[HYJPSUNK]
They also supply computers as I understood ?
[HYJPSUNK]
No . [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
No . [UNCLEAR] But there you are . All things within the town .
[HYJPSUNK]
And they 're giving quite a lot back , and I , I know you only give it as a , as a guide , Mr Chairman , but [UNCLEAR] two hundred and fifty pound , I would think that would have to be doubled . The amount of money that they give back to this community , I would like to see it supported [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Right . That 's what ?
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] used to be a cripple on Hollywood .
[HYJPSUNK]
Oh dear .
[PS3C0]
I thought they used to run a carol service .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah , it 's gone . Car Carol were n't there .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] Oh , sorry it 's seven o'clock .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Okay . Let somebody on the
[PS3C2]
I 'll second , I 'll second that .
[PS3C0]
well , that somebody on the committee propose that .
[PS3C2]
I 'll propose it .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] it seems a bit strange though , cos I mean , indirectly we seem to be giving back to the community .
[PS3C2]
The community
[PS3C0]
I think what they 're saying is , that unless the money to start with , there 's no defin definition that they can carry on . When they 've raised the money at the carnival . So they , they need the money as capital up front .
[HYJPSUNK]
Up front .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
I do think it 's probably
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
A good idea that the council back the carnival .
[PS3C2]
Supports it , yes , supports it .
[HYJPSUNK]
Oh , yeah , I mean , I 've , I 've nothing whatsoever against it .
[PS3C0]
Sure .
[HYJPSUNK]
I think it 's brilliant .
[PS3C0]
Yeah . So we 'll do that . I 'm a seconder for that ?
[HYJPSUNK]
What was the proposal ?
[PS3C0]
Janice proposed five hundred pounds .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Right . All in favour ?
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[PS3C0]
Okay , erm , the Sidvale Talking Newspaper , we 've supported this before . Erm ,
[HYJPSUNK]
It 's them again . [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Yeah , we with this [UNCLEAR] been ongoing , we 've given a hundred and fifty pounds to it , erm , well I say [UNCLEAR] I do n't see it on the top one .
[HYJPSUNK]
I think it 's pretty well supported .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] bottom one
[HYJPSUNK]
Pretty well supported .
[PS3C0]
[UNCLEAR] top one on the bottom one . There you are . All in favour ?
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
[UNCLEAR] two hundred and fifty . Right . Th right the next one 's a sad little one . It 's about vandalism of a school , of a seat outside the primary school . Erm , you may have heard that vandals destroyed our community seat on the Long Dobbs Lane last week . The seat was given to the school for a Mr [ANONYMIZATION] headmaster and as a gesture of goodwill to all who pass the school . You 'll be all to aware of the school 's financial circumstances and understand we are unable to afford replacement or repair . My staff and governors wonder if the town council would be willing to help and restore in the much loved seat . Hundred and fifty pounds .
[HYJPSUNK]
Fair enough .
[PS3C0]
Right .
[HYJPSUNK]
Will that cover the cost of the seat ?
[HYJPSUNK]
No .
[PS3C0]
Does , do n't it ?
[HYJPSUNK]
Not quite . Though about , the one that 's going in the cemetery , they 're just on two hundred . [UNCLEAR] they 're very good seats .
[PS3C0]
Oh , well , if you wan na make it two .
[HYJPSUNK]
I 'm taking your word for it .
[PS3C0]
I thought hundred and fifty covered it .
[HYJPSUNK]
The time they set fire to the [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Right . Well ,
[HYJPSUNK]
I would like to see us cover the cost of the seat .
[HYJPSUNK]
Proposal .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah , that 's the least we can do .
[PS3C0]
Two hundred pound . Right . [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
You 'll given them a new target to go for a ?
[PS3C0]
Right .
[HYJPSUNK]
Give them a new target .
[PS3C0]
Well . Must n't give in to vandals , must we ?
[HYJPSUNK]
Well , there comes a time , [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
[UNCLEAR] right . One nine eight . It 's , you 've heard the er presentation by Carol [ANONYMIZATION] for Rio . They 've asked us to provide them with the finance one container , that 's five hundred pound , plus two hundred pound transport , which will be matched by the community council if we do it . So in actual fact , we 're , we 're grant aiding them to get two of their four .
[HYJPSUNK]
I think this is a very [UNCLEAR] actually , Mr Chairman .
[HYJPSUNK]
I think .
[HYJPSUNK]
The only thing , the only thing that worries me is that the thing gets [UNCLEAR] priority .
[HYJPSUNK]
Well , yes , I got the advert . The they put the advert in and she underlined them .
[HYJPSUNK]
I 've got those sort of prices some time ago when we were
[PS3C0]
Well .
[HYJPSUNK]
looking for one for the
[PS3C0]
Yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
the bowling club .
[HYJPSUNK]
We are , we are paying nine hundred pound [UNCLEAR] at the moment .
[PS3C0]
She 's , she 's got , she 's got well , they 've asked us for seven . If that does the job and on receipt of the bills , I think we should support it .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yes
[PS3C0]
I think they 've got off the ground and they 've shown a lot of initiative .
[HYJPSUNK]
I think she , yes , she presented it well .
[PS3C0]
Okay . All agree ?
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
I think that means we 've spent a bit more than we planned . That I 've put down , erm , anybody added it up as we 've gone along ?
[HYJPSUNK]
Yes , fifteen fifty .
[PS3C0]
Fifteen fifty .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Fifteen fifty , which leave us a balance of six hundred pounds , does it ?
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[PS3C0]
Okay . I think that 's a good position to be in now , er , one more grants meeting before the end of the financial year . Well I think we 're on the right , on the right side of it . Move on the buildings . The schedule action to be taken relative to necessary works . Now , you 've all been down and looked at the state of the playground below . I think we put the erm , report and the guarantee which we 've had from Rentakil in solicitor 's hands , and he is in the process of contacting Rentakil .
[HYJPSUNK]
Yep .
[PS3C0]
Rentakil have said that they do n't consider that the guarantee covers us . But I would suggest to you that we need to press Rentakil and say , you know you the conditions of the guarantee we feel we 'd comply with , and wait until we get anything back from the solicitors , before we do anything else . I 'm pleased you 've all seen the state of it . But I do n't think there 's any action . I think it may mean that we 'll have to call a meeting quite quickly after this one , to discuss , but I really do n't think we 've got the basis of anything till that comes back . I do n't know what the rest of you feel .
[HYJPSUNK]
Can I just make the point that we are due to pay the next erm , annual subscription for this guarantee . Erm , it was due to today , actually . On the solicitor 's advice we held it . Erm , in the letter that you s sending by fax tomorrow , you tend to indicate that it is held while the matter 's sorted . If they say we 've got to pay it , well then I 'll have to come back at the council meeting . If not , well it will held pending what they do next , because there 's no point , I mean , Trevor 's , I think frankly , rightly said , that the guarantee is not a very solid document . If this is the case , then I co would n't be able to propose to the council that we continue to give Rentakil two hundred and seventy quid a year
[HYJPSUNK]
For nothing .
[HYJPSUNK]
for nothing . So therefore
[PS3C0]
[UNCLEAR] if you refuse to pay it , they [UNCLEAR] not worth paying .
[HYJPSUNK]
No .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
You 've got to be very careful on that .
[HYJPSUNK]
No . The solicitor is wording it that we 're not refusing to pay it , but we 're just holding it abeyance .
[HYJPSUNK]
Holding it in abeyance .
[HYJPSUNK]
As long as it does n't invalidate the guarantee .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
Well , that 's what you 've got to be careful of .
[PS3C0]
Gentlemen , I , I , I do believe , fellow councillors , what we 've done now is asked the solicitor to , to take the matter in hand , and so I do think until we 've got advice from him , it would be [UNCLEAR] for us to actually recommend any other
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
So I think we may have to take this as part of the council meeting when we get a report back , cos obviously , there 's a degree of urgency in whatever we do about this , but I can suggest that we can do no more than report back to the next council meeting that we 've discussed this , and that it is in solicitor 's hands .
[HYJPSUNK]
Can I ask , Mr Chairman , in your opinion , had we carry out the erm , works or anything to do [UNCLEAR] suppose to do . I mean
[PS3C0]
My only candid opinion is that the thing is so loosely couched and phrased that we could claim we have and they could we have n't .
[HYJPSUNK]
Mm .
[PS3C0]
I 'm not clear , on reading the fu
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
I have n't read the full report . I will say that Roy [ANONYMIZATION] dealt with it , when it happened and I know at the time he , he was very very thorough over it .
[HYJPSUNK]
Mm .
[PS3C0]
I mean , I know we spent a lot of time with the former clerk ,
[HYJPSUNK]
Mm .
[PS3C0]
And with Rentakil , and if you remember at that time , as he rightly said last night the idea of going with Rentakil , was that we thought they were a reputable firm ,
[HYJPSUNK]
Mm .
[PS3C0]
And thought we were doing the best possible thing we could do .
[HYJPSUNK]
Dennis [ANONYMIZATION] was also an adviser on it .
[PS3C0]
Yeah , well there you are . I think it
[HYJPSUNK]
I think you can stand to correct me , but the problem being with these things , that they 're so
[HYJPSUNK]
It 's the typical get-out clause , this , is n't it ?
[HYJPSUNK]
How it looks to me , is that most of it was angled towards the bit that they were involved in last time , which was much more to do , I think , with the police officer , I was n't here , but you know ,
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] surround it yeah , yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
and it all sort of refers to that part .
[HYJPSUNK]
Mm .
[HYJPSUNK]
Did , did they do structural work last Sunday ?
[HYJPSUNK]
Or was it , was it all dry-rot treatment ?
[PS3C0]
Yeah ,
[HYJPSUNK]
Typically .
[PS3C0]
yeah . Well , I think what we got ta do . I must s
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
what 's happened it this . What 's happened is this . At the moment the solicitor has the report , which it took Derek quite a while to find , cos it was n't filed where it should have been . But we 've now found that and it 's gone to the solicitor 's . In the me we had n't actually had a chance go through it properly ourselves . And that 's something we must do before the next meeting so that I can answer the questions , cos we do n't really know at this moment . One , which was actually carried out . We just put it all in Rentakil 's hands really ,
[HYJPSUNK]
Mm .
[PS3C0]
Thought we were doing right . Now we 've got to go into the fine print .
[HYJPSUNK]
Mr Chairman , may I ask
[HYJPSUNK]
What what happened , what happened to the property next door , they were going to put the claim against the council [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Yeah , well th that all petered out in the end , did n't it ?
[HYJPSUNK]
Well , I do n't know . [UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
We have , we have a problem , of course , erm , in finding the exact root of the problem , we could possibly
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] you see , so
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
So , there 's nobody can really
[HYJPSUNK]
No , no
[HYJPSUNK]
define it [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Well that , that , that did reach a conclusion with the solicitors , did n't it ?
[HYJPSUNK]
If it 's any comfort , it 's just been sold next door . So whoever 's bought it
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] bought all the problems , yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
Well , apparently what 's happened there , I do know , because erm , one or two of the people who looked at it got involved , and whereas the property started out at some figure in the high hun hundred and fifty , hundred and eighty thousand , something like that . It was actually sold for something in the region of fif fifty thousand . Because some people came in and had offered sixty , that 's what I was told , the last lot that came in had offered sixty . Fifty , and then withdrew , but it 's around that fifty , sixty mark .
[HYJPSUNK]
Oh .
[HYJPSUNK]
Can I ask , Mr Chairman , if it 's possible for us to have a copy of the reports [UNCLEAR] ? Is it , is it possible ?
[PS3C0]
You can borrow the copy , ca n't you ?
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
I 'll give it back to you [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
Would you , would you look at that , and perhaps you
[HYJPSUNK]
I will look at that , yeah .
[PS3C0]
perhaps , you 'd speak to us at the next council meeting , then .
[HYJPSUNK]
If I get a chance to look at it .
[PS3C0]
Yeah . Fine . Okay .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] Christmas reading , then .
[PS3C0]
Okay .
[HYJPSUNK]
That 's what I want , yes .
[PS3C0]
Erm , there be no other business . I like to close the meeting . Thank you for attendance . And this is the final council meeting before Christmas . Wish you a happy Christmas and a peaceful New Year . And just mention ,
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
just mention that there are , there is carol singing around the tree at the bottom , Thursday , seven thirty .
[HYJPSUNK]
Has anybody any idea why it 's so late ? Because we ca n't actually make it , because we 're going out somewhere else , but we would have done it , if it has been earlier . It seems funny , cos you know , small kids go there
[PS3C0]
Well , that time of the evening , you mean ?
[HYJPSUNK]
Yeah , yeah , I mean , I would have gone [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C0]
I do n't know why . I mean basically we have had [UNCLEAR] organize it this year . As he has other years .
[HYJPSUNK]
Is it any later than normal or
[PS3C0]
I said
[HYJPSUNK]
No , it 's always about seven thirty .
[PS3C0]
Is it ? Yeah .
[HYJPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[HYJPSUNK]
I think one of the things , to be honest is to avoid the traffic . Because that 's [UNCLEAR] quite a lot of traffic going through there .
[PS3C0]
Nice evening . I love it .
[HYJPSUNK]
I happen to tell you , that it 's , we hope that the tree will be lit . It 's lit again at the moment , but so far we 've had something like fifteen bulbs stolen , and when that heavy rain comes , it fills the little cups and goes bang and the gentleman today , was busy drilling things out of the fuse box , where I think it had gone again . So . It 's we lit tonight .