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CMV: I should be able to opt out of any and all advertisements.
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[Sick_of_Life]
To me, advertisements are rage inducing, annoying and unwanted. I have done my best to opt out of ads that I do not want to see on my phone and computer. Sites are now giving guilt trip messages about adblock plus and other adblockers, which I also find rage-inducing.... I get that companies need money to help keep the place afloat, but I 100% refuse to click on an advertisement, and as a result, my computer(s) has been virus free for over 5 years. Another reason I do not click ads is because, if I want to go buy something, I'll go buy it. Your advertisement isn't going to convince me to neither click on it nor buy your product, ESPECIALLY if it's one of those annoying scroll ads that you see on mobile.... no matter where you scroll, the ad follows, and there's a button to get rid of it if you click in the exact right spot. I suppose that companies need to find a new, less annoying way to advertise their product before I'll consider putting up with them...CMV Edit: This post is about ONLINE ads on the computer or phone/tablet
[getfuckingreal]
Whether you click or not is irrelevant. The advertiser wanted you to see the ad and paid for that. The more common the use of ad-blocking software becomes, the less value online advertising will become. You'll see websites charging for service or offering lower quality as a result of reduced income from advertisers. Also you are saying that they "should" alloy you to not see ads. Why should they do that? Obviously that would benefit you, but what do the websites have to gain from that?
[draculabakula]
Websites are businesses and often times their main revenue source is advertisments. The website makes money just for the advertisement downloading to your phone or computer and you don't need to click on it for the site to make money. You can deny that advertising effects you all you want but you are wrong. Even not knowing you I can tell you that you have been influenced many many times. You mentioned your phone. What kind of phone do you have? What phone service company do you go through? Just wondering. I have a feeling there is a strong chance I've seen those things advertised before. By the way, the alternative is that you just won't be able to get your entertainment on the internet anymore because if companies are not making any money there is no incentives for they to publish new content.
[Sick_of_Life]
[STA-CITE]> Websites are businesses and often times their main revenue source is advertisments. The website makes money just for the advertisement downloading to your phone or computer and you don't need to click on it for the site to make money. [END-CITE]edit: ∆ See, this isn't horrible. What's horrible are the pop ups or scrollers that either don't give an option to close or make it really difficult to do so.
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[man2010]
It seems like your view is focused on online ads, so I'm going to base my argument around them. If it includes other forms of advertising let me know. 1. Would you be willing to pay to be able to use ad-free versions of websites that you visit? If not, how do you think that websites should make money to provide you with free content? 2. Who are you to tell someone else how to run their website? If someone wants to plaster ads all over their website then they have every right to do so. If you don't like this then don't visit these sites. 3. Most advertisements aren't meant to get you to buy something right away. Advertisements are generally part of large marketing schemes that are meant to get you to support certain brands. For example, Ford might advertise their new F-150 on the NFL's website. Now obviously everyone who sees this ad isn't going to go out and buy a new truck, but people who visit the NFL's website (who also happen to be Ford's target group for their trucks) will begin to associate their favorite sports league with Ford trucks and thus will think more about buying a Ford as their next vehicle.
[Sick_of_Life]
1: I already have done that. 2: not telling them how to run their website, I just want to be able to opt out somehow. Yes, shady looking ads that go to shady looking websites on the reputable websites seems....shady...but, yeah, who am I to tell them how to run their site. 3: I'm not sure how to put into words how this just doesn't apply to me personally. The description you gave about the Ford ad (and other substitutions I came up with) wouldn't apply to me. At all. For sake of argument, I'll use your example. If I were to visit NFL.com and see an ad for an F150 the first thing that comes to mind is that there is some sort of partnership between NFL and Ford. I would then expect those ads to be all over the place and ignore them (for a few reasons that apply to me personally). Doesn't mean I will associate ford with NFL. They could team up with spongebob for all I care, still going to ignore it.
[cacheflow]
[STA-CITE]> 3: I'm not sure how to put into words how this just doesn't apply to me personally. [END-CITE]Advertising works. Even if you could someone convince us that you are a special and unique snowflake for whom it doesn't work (I'm not convinced), its irrelevant to the conversation. It works in general, which is why it exists.
[man2010]
1. So you have the option to opt out of ads on certain sites then. Why should you be able to opt out of ads on other sites that have decided not to offer an ad-free version? 2. You saying that you should be able to opt out of ads on a website is you telling website owners how they should operate their site(s). If you don't like how a website is run you always have the option to not visit it. 3. Whether you realize it or not you have been effected by different marketing schemes (advertisements). What type of computer do you have? What type of phone do you use? What type of car do you drive? What types/brands of clothes do you wear? What brands of food do you buy? Every single thing you spend money on has been advertised/marketed to you in some form whether you realize it or not. You can't ignore advertising because you don't even realize how many forms of advertising you see every day.
[Sick_of_Life]
You've been so focused on being(seemingly) condescending I think you've completely missed my point here. I know advertising is everywhere, all around us all the time. I'm talking specifically on the literal computer and literal phone. If the ads that were presented to me weren't: [STA-CITE]> A: annoying (scrolling with the page covering up content, impossible to close, a timer on a video where you can't mute it or close it. [END-CITE]or > B: Shady (impossible claims [You've won! click here to see your prize], weird looking links that lead to websites that cause my AV and in broswer addons to freak out trying to get me to leave.) ...It wouldn't be such a big issue honestly.
[man2010]
So is your view that you should be able to opt out of all ads online or that you should be able to opt out of annoying and/or shady ones? Because there is a huge difference between the two.
[Sick_of_Life]
Seeing how aggressive everyone is in support of all advertisements, i'll stick with all.
[man2010]
Then how are websites supposed to make money? Or how are they supposed to prevent you from seeing any possible advertisement (which is essentially impossible by the way)?
[Sick_of_Life]
Millions upon millions of others either do not mind the ads or just casually ignore them. They might see something that catches their eye. That's not me. That's millions of others.
[man2010]
And what about the advertisements that you don't notice? How are websites supposed to allow you to opt out of these?
[the8thbit]
[STA-CITE]> but I 100% refuse to click on an advertisement [END-CITE]Most ads aren't clickable. TV ads... billboards, magazines, radio, etc... the clickability of online ads is just an extra bonus. Most of the money is still in getting people to SEE your product, so that when they see it in a store, the brand name looks familiar to them. This value is factored into the cost of running ads, even if the ads that are run are only pay per click. So even if you never click an ad you are still contributing to the sites you are using by allowing the advertising to manipulate the way that you think.
[Sick_of_Life]
This post i about online ads. I do not have cable t.v. and change the channel on radio stations when commercials come on.
[the8thbit]
[STA-CITE]> This post i about online ads. [END-CITE]So was my post.
[Tnargkiller]
Without ad revenue, every website would become a magazine-style subscription based service. Imagine it being a requirement to pay for reddit, or YouTube. Free internet *exists* from the ad revenue from constant viewership.
[Sick_of_Life]
For clarification, do you mean "viewership" as in simply "view" (loading them on the page) or do you mean that as clicks?
[themcos]
They'll probably pay more for the clicks, but they'll pay if they can merely get eyeballs on the adds. Brand awareness works even if I don't click the add immediately.
[Tnargkiller]
I mean unique viewers viewing whatever a particular website has to offer. The more people there are, the greater probability that some users come along and click the ads.
[caw81]
Exactly why should I have to make two versions (with advertising and without) of my content for you?
[Whitmans_Ghost]
[STA-CITE]>Another reason I do not click ads is because, if I want to go buy something, I'll go buy it. Your advertisement isn't going to convince me to neither click on it nor buy your product... [END-CITE]I always get a kick out of it when people imply that advertising and marketing don't influence them when nearly everything you do in life is the result of marketing and advertising. [STA-CITE]>I suppose that companies need to find a new, less annoying way to advertise their product before I'll consider putting up with them. [END-CITE] They'll simply start integrating the ads into the content itself where possible, or going to the PPV/Subscription format for content. Companies will always find new ways to monetize, and when one method stops working they'll develop another.
[Sick_of_Life]
[STA-CITE]> .... nearly everything you do in life is the result of marketing and advertising. [END-CITE]Speak for yourself. I get a kick out of going to a new place I've never heard of seeing their products or menu and just going with it. Experiencing something new without expectations. Also, to further drive this across, I do not have cable TV. So I do not watch commercials at all. [STA-CITE]> They'll simply start integrating the ads into the content itself where possible... [END-CITE]as I wrote [here](http://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/2ivx0l/cmv_i_should_be_able_to_opt_out_of_any_and_all/cl67gc0) this has already happened. Complete disregard for how the users feel about it.
[the8thbit]
[STA-CITE]> Speak for yourself. I get a kick out of going to a new place I've never heard of seeing their products or menu and just going with it. Experiencing something new without expectations. Also, to further drive this across, I do not have cable TV. So I do not watch commercials at all. [END-CITE]I also use adblock, I do not have TV, and I only listen to NPR and community radio. Which means that I am exposed to a very, very small amount of advertising. I do this in part because I find most ads overly stimulating and some ads plainly disturbing, but also because I *know* that ads heavily influence people- anyone.
[sailorbrendan]
[STA-CITE]> I only listen to NPR and community radio [END-CITE]do you wonder if those aeron chairs are all they're cracked up to be? I sometimes wonder.
[Whitmans_Ghost]
[STA-CITE]> Speak for yourself. I get a kick out of going to a new place I've never heard of seeing their products or menu and just going with it. Experiencing something new without expectations. Also, to further drive this across, I do not have cable TV. So I do not watch commercials at all. [END-CITE]And how exactly do you think those new places come into being? Everything: from the products you buy, to the food you eat, to the books you read, to the shows you watch- everything you consume is a product of marketing and advertising. [This clip really sums it up perfectly](http://klipd.com/watch/the-devil-wears-prada/belt-blue-sweater-scene) (skip to 1:00 for the relevant part), and while it's talking specifically about one industry, it applies to all of them. [STA-CITE]>Complete disregard for how the users feel about it. [END-CITE]I'm sure they did care, up until a certain point. As adblock and programs like it got more popular, and their revenue dropped, they looked for new ways to monetize- which is exactly what I said earlier. It's also the best evidence that if the trend continues, the popular sites are gonna go to a PPV/Subscription format.
[NightCrest]
Going to new places you've never heard of sometimes (even most of the time) doesn't magically make you immune to advertising. There's all sorts of proof that people *are* effected by advertising. Like the fact that just recognizing a brand can [make you think something tastes better](http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/neuromarketing-brain/). Saying you're not ever effected by advertising at all is basically saying "no I'm special because my brain is magically different than every other humans, so I don't fall for the things those lesser people do." Of course, thinking you're above average is *also* an extremely average sentiment.
[Surface_Level]
The advertisements your so obsessed with avoiding fund all of the free sites you use. Nobody WANTS to be advertised to, but people put up with it because it's better than having to pay. If you don't want ads then don't visit the website.
[the8thbit]
[STA-CITE]> If you don't want ads then don't visit the website. [END-CITE]Alternatively, you could have the best of both worlds by using something like AdBlock Plus.
[DoublePlusGood23]
You'd still be using bandwidth and power from their servers, certainly a small cost per user, but still more of a cost if you would've never visited in the first place.
[the8thbit]
Yes, it would cost the website money, rather than making them money.
[Lawrencium265]
I go into gas stations just to use the bathroom, and I never feel bad about it. they're putting it out there for free, if they wanted to they could change the way they do business.
[Sick_of_Life]
I have adblock disabled on reddit because they don't use pop ups or allow advertisements from shady shources (afaik) and I'm not sure if simply "viewing" them helps or if clicks matter, but if it's clicks, not doing it. I will not disable it on facebook because they've went ahead and added advertisements in the news feed, making avoiding them impossible, but still blocks those shady ads on the side bar. as for youtube and all those, there are people that get paid to make videos and upload them to their site, and besides, they've done something similar to what facebook has done and rendered adblock useless.
[getfuckingreal]
You don't know how ads are affecting your subconscious. Suppose you see a McDonald's ad and don't click it. You may at some point eat McDonald's and have no way of knowing whether you might not had, had you not seen that ad. People are rarely stupid enough to be conned into buying the product simply by seeing an ad. It makes the name more familiar. You notice a lot of ads don't make any pitch on the superiority of their offering, just that they do offer X (good or service).
[phcullen]
on youtube they get paid from their add revenue. a youtuber can choose to not have adds on a video if they don't want to get payed for it.
[treretr]
Most ads online are paid by per view, not per click. Even if you don't click they are still getting money.
[Sick_of_Life]
∆ this post helped me understand the topic better edit: Oh Deltabot, those following along with the thread will understand why. It's self explanatory.
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[Sick_of_Life]
lets try again!