Indicator sentences: What do you mean you tried for two days ?
Trigger words: rape date rape
Indicator sentences: I 'm not sure if there is a difference .
Negotiation parts: I 'm sure there 's a difference . I 'm sure there are there you know there 's there is ordinary nasty horrid aggressive rape when you 're you 're you know like somebody 's attacked from behind or something down a a dark alley . And then there is a different thing called date rape but there is no excuse for either I do n't think .Well I 'm not sure about that either . I mean certainly there 's the horrid sort of thing that happens on date rapeMm .and you know with violence and that and then as you work your way along there 'd be the sort of situation where there is n't any physical violence but there 's intimidation and fearYep .fear of violence and I think that 's that 's definitely out of order . And then you get you work your way along and you get to the situation where erm the woman is pressured by feelings of embarrassment or social pressure not to say no . And that 's when I think it starts to get into into shady ground where where the woman has n't actually said no because she feels intimidated not by violence but by social pressure . That 's I mean that 's maybe more the fault of society than it is the fault of the of the man that 's involved . And then you get into the situations apparently where erm people decide after they 've had sexMm .that they did n't enjoy it and therefore it must have been rape cos they did n't wa they did n't like it . Erm and then I think you 've you 've clearly gone outside the definition of rape or outside you know a reasonableYeah I would agree with that but I do n't think there is er any excuse for a woman to or a man for that matter to say women deserve rape says M P's wife .Oh no I mean he 's g he 's got ta go has n't he ?I mean if if a woman undresses okay let's take a scenario okay Simon maybe er you know you could put yourself in the same situationAll right .been out with a woman 's erm undressed in front of you you know you 've done the bit you 've er you 've managed to er within three easy steps undo the bra with one hand whilst er telling her you know you 're a really nice guy and there 's no chance of going too far and all that sort of thing and you know you get you get fairly carried away you may even be under the sheetsYeah .you may even and this is a bit I mean Saturday lunchtime is a bit I 'm almost almost er oh the producer 's going , Careful careful , which he should know is a red flag to a bull and I might say [UNCLEAR] no but I wo n't . Er so maybe you 're both even under the covers naked all rightMm mm .okay and then there 're there 're bits of your body that are are are you know your your your whole being is stirringCould be a bit hard to stop .It could be very hard to stop .Mm .So er as soon as the girl turns to you and says , Right I do n't want to go any further that 's it .Well it 's it 's annoying at that point .It 's very annoying but that 's when you have to stop .[UNCLEAR] but you do have to stop but that is n't to say it is n't very annoying .Okay . But if you were to carry on and the woman was screaming no no no no get off get off get off , as far as I 'm concerned that 's rape .That is yeah . But I think there 's some there 's some grey areas in there .[UNCLEAR] there are but I mean it 's it 's silly for people to say once a man is sexually aroused it 's quite difficult to stop is n't it ? Well it is difficult to stop .I 'm I 'm surprised they have n't got rid of cynics [UNCLEAR] already actuallyMm .ErmWell he 's not in he 's out today he 's out he and his wife are out cos we put a phone call in we said let's have a chat with himWe were just going to ask him about this proposed pay rise that 's all .This thing that that er his wife said about some women deserve itMm .Funnily enough though there are there are feminist women who are who are saying similar things that saying that it is a bit irresponsible to have gotten into bed with someone and taken all your clothes off and then say no .Yeah butBut as you say you at that point you do have to stop .How many though how many men have and you remember , I can just remember ,I mean just you know the the sort of , Well look er you know it does n't mean I wo n't respect you and I do n't love you and all that sort of thing .Er I 'm not sure I share your experience thereYou see and er I mean er are you sure you do n't want and er . We can be persuasiveMm .but there has to be a time when no is no .Just have to avoid being intimidated .Yes you 're right .