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Enjoy that ? Oh good good good I enjoyed that . Welcome to the programme . Whale is on the wireless , here in the heart of Britain 's largest county , to wreck havoc , or to be gentle , sweet and loving . Any way if you want to talk , you can pick up the phone , you can ring me now , it 's [ANONYMIZATION] . [ANONYMIZATION] . We want to talk first of all about the North Yorkshire M Ps , we have t We 're on to Michael [ANONYMIZATION] as I speak , and his secretary has been very very charming , very helpful , very nice . She has tried to get hold of him . The others are unobtainable , er but I think what we should do because of course you are there to tell them whether or not you think they should be going for er twice the rate of inflation pay rise . These are guys who earn a minimum of thirty one thousand pounds erm if they do n't have any companies sponsoring them , a lot of them have companies sponsoring them . They get free travel . Er they do n't do so badly at all , they get free er They get allowance for their accommodation in London , Okay ? So they 're not out of pocket , they do n't have to keep two homes going . And I I really do n't think they have any business without consulting you and me , as the peoples that they represent , because I 'm I 'm a voter in North Yorkshire too , so I do n't think they have any business actually doing this without consulting us first of all . Now correct me if I 'm wrong , I 'll look in the other r Excuse me while I look in the other room . Er all the MPs for North Yorkshire have have agreed for this have n't they ? We d Okay we do n't know , we want to ask them we w So if you are an MP in North Yorkshire and er you think I 'm giving you a hard time and I know you sneakily listen to this programme , I know you listen . Er I suggest you pick up the phone and you give us a call now on [ANONYMIZATION] , alright ? Er and I say I want to come on the on the phone and I want to talk to James , I want to put him straight , I tell him that we 're not doing this and I want to tell him that we actually erm know that er the people will be concerned about us giving ourselves a huge pay rise . If you have any views on whether MPs should be doing that or not , give us a call as well . you know the number . I keep forgetting it . I 'm also told that we 'll have no problems with the phone calls this week . Have we We have no problems with the pho that 's all been fixed . We have a new phone system , so you can r If you want to test it out you might as well just give me a ring and come on the air to begin with . And if you do n't want to talk about that we 'll talk about something else . You know something that erm appeals to you . But in the first instance , and there the calls are coming in , I would like to hear about your views on MPs in North Yorkshire voting themselves a double the rate of inflation pay rise . If you have any views pick up the phone and call me now . all sort of Islamic and er fundamentalist and Matthew and son . Radio York , that 's where you 're tuned , the B B C station for North Yorkshire and er James Whale is here on the wireless with you bright and e I 'm amazed I can get up after being up so late on a Friday night , I 'm amazed I can be in here this early on a Friday , and somebody said well it is twelve o'clock . [UNCLEAR] You 're you 're right . Before we go to the calls , one other thing that you may be interested in talking about . I do n't know er why we 're not more continually erm more on the case as far as our members of parliament are concerned because remember they 're there for our benefit and front page of the Daily Mirror this morning . Women deserve rape says M P's wife . Front page . This is er a fairly topical issue at the moment . Many women deserve to be raped , a Tory M P's wife said yesterday . Sir Nicholas Fairburn 's wife , Sam , backed her husband 's astonishing views that there is no such crime as rape . I want you to take that in , I 'm pausing for a little I want you to take it in . It may sound nasty but a man would never look at some of those women she said , a lot of women deserved to be raped . It 's not fair on a man if a women undresses and then changes her mind at the last minute . What sort of hole did these two crawl out of ? What sort of people This is a man who dresses up remember , in very strange scotch plaid trousers and jackets . And he and his wife together are saying a women deserves to be raped . Personally I do n't care at what stage of sexual intercourse you 're at , if a women says I want to stop now , then you stop now and that 's it . If you have any view If you 've read the front page of the Daily Mirror today , and if you are as angry about it as me , I 'd be interested in hearing for you . [ANONYMIZATION] Let's go to our first call and erm that 's good . I 'm glad you came in there , cos I was merrily talking away was n't I ?
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You were .
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Yes I was , I was n't even looking at the screen . Let's go to erm Margaret , I think .
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Mr [ANONYMIZATION]
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Margaret what ? What did you say then ?
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Oh Mr [ANONYMIZATION] . O Oh right Mr [ANONYMIZATION] . Oh about Margaret Thatcher . In this screen , I 'm glad to say that public opinion you see can shift things . They 're going to the B B C engineers who put this screen in the top of the ceiling , which makes it almost impossible to read , are now going to move it . But of course that does keep them in a job . Right Mr [ANONYMIZATION] . Erm I see . We New phone thing and not working terribly well . Er Mr [ANONYMIZATION] hello .
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Hello .
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Sorry about that .
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That 's alright .
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Got to learn where the knobs go in this place .
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Yeah .
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What can I do for you ?
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Well I wan I tried for two days to talk about Lady Thatcher .
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What do you mean you tried for two days ?
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Well I tried at quarter to nine the day that there there is talking about it and er I was n't allowed on the phone .
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Why would n't you be allowed on the phone ?
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Pardon ?
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Why would you not be allowed on the phone .
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You tell me [UNCLEAR]
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I do n't know , I was n't here . Are you one of those that upsets the people , are you cleverer than most broadcasters , that really
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Oh no [UNCLEAR] I 'm not clever at all .
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Oh yes you are .
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You managed to operate the phone , course you 're clever .
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Oh okay then .
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Anyway , Mr [ANONYMIZATION] .
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Yeah ? What ?
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Mr [ANONYMIZATION] ?
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Yes .
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Can you hear me ?
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Yes .
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Okay , right , what did you want to say ?
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Well I wanted to talk about Lady Thatcher . Do you want me to tell you what I want to talk about ?
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Well I I do n't mind one way or the other . I mean as long as you understand the laws of slander and liable ?
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Yeah well . Okay . Well what I wanted to talk about is , when Lady Th Thatcher first came into power
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Could could you refer to her as Mrs Thatcher , cos I 'm not really into all these titles , they annoy me .
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Mrs Thatcher .
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That 's better , yeah .
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When Mrs Thatcher first came into power , she got hold of the pound note , held it up and tore it in half and then tore it into a quarter , and she said this is what the pound 's worth under the Labour government .
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Mm .
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N now then , the other thing is when Dennis Healey went to the monetary system to ask for a couple of million pounds , he was shout down shouted down , but
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I do n't think any MP has ever been to the monetary system to ask for a couple of million pounds , actually . What 's your first name ?
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No Douglas .
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Is it ?
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Yeah .
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Oh you do n't mind if I call you Douglas do you ?
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=banks Junior .
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I beg your pardon ?
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Douglas N Fairbanks Junior .
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Oh Right . Er when thy come to give you your lunch let me know and I 'll let you off . Er right , go on .
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Well er the thing about it is , what makes me d what er makes me [UNCLEAR] When Lady Thatcher came out of power
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Yeah .
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she never said how much the pound was worth , well I I do n't think it would cover five pence piece .
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Have you been er worrying about Margaret Thatcher tearing a pound note up for the last twelve thirteen years ?
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I ai n't been worried at all , [UNCLEAR]
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I do n't do is worry .
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Oh you do n't ?
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No .
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Oh . And they would n't let you on ? You 've Radio York all week , they must have been over er over overwhelmed for callers I imagine this week , I would have thought you would have been a boon to anybody 's talk show .
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For two days I was n't allowed on the show , and they What they said was there was too many other people on before hand .
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Yeah . They they probably though that your personality was so special that it would it would actually have made everybody else look rather stupid .
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No I think what it was was a load of bullshit they give me .
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Oh they did n't , that 's an awful American word . You ca n't say Bullshit on the road On the radio .
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Ca n't you ?
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No .
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Oh .
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Not in a farming community like North Yorkshire , people get very tense about it .
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Oh jolly good .
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Yeah . Anyway Douglas it 's time for you to go and have your next injection is n't it ?
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Pardon ?
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Thank you , bye . Er time for us to move on and talk to er Sam [ANONYMIZATION] er who is there somewhere . Now Sam bear with me . Hello Sam ? Er you 're not on that one . Now Danny er set up these lin Now let Hang on just one minute , what Twenty two . Would you say red is Oh red is twenty one is n't it ? Okay let me put tat onto twenty one . Hello Sam .
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Hi .
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Hi . I 've got it now , it 's okay Danny . I 've I 've sussed it , alright ?
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Okay .
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All I ask i Sorry Dan Er s sorry er erm er Sam .
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Sam , that 's right .
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Fine you hang on there . Sorry Dan ?
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Yeah .
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Three letter words is very difficult for me to keep [UNCLEAR]
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Er see if you can get me a date . There 's a In in the weekend review with the Daily Mail today , Bonny Langford is sitting there saying all I want to be is a women , and not thought of as a little girl .
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Bully for her .
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And er she 's a lovely Do n't you like her Sam ?
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Oh yes .
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Yeah , thank you very much indeed Sam .
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I like everyone me .
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Do you ?
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then we 're not going to have much to talk about then .
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Oh yes we are .
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Okay .
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Yes .
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Go on .
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Well it 's about the MPs and the wages ,
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Mhm .
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salaries . I object most strongly . [UNCLEAR] I 'm a pensioner , and er I have to exist on a very very low
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Who is your M P ?
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My MP is er
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Mm .
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Michael Allison .
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Michael Allison . Well we 're trying to get Michael Allison on the phone and he may well be one who does n't agree with this .
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I do n't think he will , but he 's the MP for Selby , he 's a conservative M P , but I do n't care what politics they I do n't know about what party they they support
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Mm .
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they should n't be taking this r wage r this wage increase .
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Wh what Well no I agree . And not all the MPs are voting for this by the way .
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Oh well I 'm very pleased about
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Not all the the MPs are voting for this because a lot of people ca n't have work , let alone have a pay increase .
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You 're right . now then , I 'm retired .
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Mm .
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I 'm nearly seventy , er my pension , will be going up by a pound and odd , I 'm not right sure how much . That 'll [UNCLEAR] next April .
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Mm .
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Er at present I get sixty one pound a week old age pension , I 've a works pension of about twenty some pound a week , so that I live on eighty pound a week . And I 'd like to give a challenge to either er Michael Allison or any of the other MPs to come and live in my little bungalow for And exist on that rate for a week .
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Now was n't it er Matthew Paris when he was still an M P , he 's journalist but Gone back to being a journalist now . Matthew Paris actually tried to do that .
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He went up Yes , and he could n't manage could he ?
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He could n't manage it and he said that he felt that he had to stop being an MP er for several reasons , one of them was that he thought most MPs like he agreed he was at certain times , were out of touch .
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That 's right , well I feel sure they are . I mean er now they talking about putting V A T on fuel ,
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er I have er storage central heating and I ca n't afford to put them on . I 've got them on in one room , er I put them on a little bit
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Mm . If every pensioner I have to I I do n't want to I mean I a I do n't want people to think I 'm m m too much of an anarchist .
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No .
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But surely if if every pensioner said that 's it we ca n't afford to pay this and did n't pay . I wonder what would happen , they could n't put everybody it prison for non payment could they ?
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I do n't know , they could n't . I though that about the poll tax anyhow . I mean I payed it obviously because you If you live you live in er you live in the land you 've got to pl go by the law .
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Exactly and if you do n't pay it , and there are a few silly old so and sos not paying it at the moment , I mean the rest of us have had to pa
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Er well that 's another thing you see we have to pay it
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Exactly .
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the extra for them , which is ridiculous you know . I and I 'm not a I 'm not a moaner , I try to be I 'm a Christian and I try to be a Chris Christian spirit to everyone .
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[UNCLEAR] you know , and I give everyone that
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Okay Sam one one
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of the doubt .
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Just before you go , we 're going to try and get Michael Allison on .
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Er he 's in London at the moment , he 's not at He should be up here , I do n't know what he 's doing in London on a Saturday morning , he 's supposed to be up here having a surgery somewhere .
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What do you think about Halloween by the way ?
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Halloween ?
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Yeah .
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Well
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As a Christian , you said you were a Christian , Halloween is er the celebrating the devil ,
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Yeah .
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and er
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celebrate the devil . No we do n't I we do n't I my my faith [UNCLEAR] we do n't celebrate the devil , we do n't cross our fingers , we do n't say er you know anything about luck or anything like that b
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Oh do n't you ?
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the devil . Er no .
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I 'm always crossing my fingers , I 'll have to be careful about that .
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Yes . Well that 's it . I mean I I I s I have to I say it myself occasionally , I stop very quickly because I realize that
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Mm .
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it is n't it is n't my religion , we do n't we do n't celebrate anything er I mean I know Christmas o obviously there 's a lot of pagan things in Christmas .
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Well apparently black magic is on the increase in North Yorkshire .
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Is Well I was I 'm trying to think where I was I was at Blackpool , er I went to Blackpool for two days , I went with some friends .
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Yeah .
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Er and then they 'll be saying how can you afford to go to Blackpool ? Why I I I can because I I saved a little bit , and I 'm I h I had to keep going on my savings . [UNCLEAR]
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Yeah but er has Blackpool got anything to do with black magic ?
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Yes it has . They were on in the [UNCLEAR] funfairs on the prom
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Yeah .
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and on er on the piers . There were cassettes and they dealt entirely with occult . With
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Mm .
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occult and with black magic and that kind of thing .
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Okay Sam , thank you for your call . Do n't cross your fingers , do n't look at any black cats , do n't run under a ladder . If er I 'm being quite serious actually now . Another thing we 're going to talk to somebody from the N S P C C who 's coming in in a few moments to talk about Halloween trick or treating and stuff like that . Because er most of the year we tell our kids not to talk to strangers , and then one day a year you send the little so and sos out to knock on peoples doors to ask for money er and sweets and things like that . I mean are we completely loopy ? Or , as some people say , does the devil have all the best tunes . Melanie are you there ? Erm I tell you what Melanie , you will be in uno momento . Okay Melanie ?
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Hi .
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Hi .
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Come closer .
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Is that better ?
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Much closer .
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Much close [UNCLEAR]
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Ooh that 's lovely .
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So early in the morning .
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Very early .
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Oh it 's lunchtime for most people is n't it ? I 'm just thinking of myself really .
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Yeah .
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Melanie , where are you ?
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I 'm in [UNCLEAR] car park at the moment .
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Are you really ?
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[UNCLEAR] Yeah .
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Oh I went past there not so long ago and that radio station that 's got no listeners in Yorkshire has a huge advertising thing there .
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yeah , I do n't know why .
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No , I ca n't imagine why , listening to it , it sounds like everybody working on is about twelve , does n't it ?
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That 's right , yeah .
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Yeah , I 'm going to ring them up in a moment and tell them I object to some of the advertisements , particularly for drugs that they 're advertising .
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No , well I do n't listen to it , so I would n't know .
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Good girl . You do n't even know what I 'm talking about .
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No .
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No . I have n't a clue either . Er anyway Did you buy anything nice ?
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No , I have n't been into York yet , I 'm on my way , I live near Harrogate .
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Oh I see , you came in with me this morning .
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That 's right .
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Yes . Do n't you find that ro Do n't you find the mess they 're making on the A one there , over near Knaresborough , annoying ?
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Absolutely terrible yeah . And I 've already had one ac car accident on the A fifty nine so I do n't like that road either .
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You do n't ?
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No .
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That is a pig of a road , I must admit , I do n't know why they do n't make it into a dual carriage way .
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Mm .
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It would only take a couple of houses to be knocked down and they could make it into a dual carriage way .
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Yeah . As long as it 's not my house .
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Why ? Is yours right on the A fifty nine .
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No , it 's [UNCLEAR]
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Alright so you 're in the car park of [ANONYMIZATION] ?
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I am yeah .
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On the mobile phone .
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Yes .
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Yeah .
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And I 'm a civil servant in York .
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And how come civil servants have mobile phones in their cars ?
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Because I do a lot of travelling on my own
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Mm .
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as you know a lot of lone lady travellers have
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are n't very safe . So
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Yeah .
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it 's a small expense which I think 's worth it . Cos I can travel three hundred miles on my own at night so you know it just gives me a bit of safeguard .
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Mhm . Hang on just one moment , can you Melanie ?
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Yes [UNCLEAR]
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I I just appealing for MPs and I know you have the radio on just to see if I 'm being rude about you , and of course I never am because I 'm a I 'm a nice person . Er I would like an M P , and there are a number of North Yorkshire M Ps , how many ? About erm eight I think .
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Seven seven seven . About [UNCLEAR] Let me just w Yes seven . there are seven North Yorkshire M Ps . Er I 'd just like one to call up and tell me about their pay .
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Mm .
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You know the number guys . Any any female North Yorkshire M Ps ? No . Not one . This is such a male chauvinist county this is n't it ? North Yorkshire . It needs a good kick up the bum . Sorry anyway . Back to Melanie , who is a civil servant .
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Working in York .
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Working in York .
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And probably getting less than a third of the pay of most MPs round here . And we 've been told that we 'll only get between a nought and one point five percent increase at the most . Which is what we were given last year .
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So how do you feel ?
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Not very happy . Because we 've also been told we 're probably going to lose our jobs in a couple of years unless we 're prepared to move to Glasgow .
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And so why have the MPs taken it upon themselves now , remembering of course as I mentioned early , that they are on a minimum of thirty one thousand pounds a year . they have free travel on the trains , wherever they like to go , they have secretarial allowances , and some of them use their wives as their secretaries . And they allowances , I think , up to another ten or eleven thousand a year for accommodation in London .
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Yeah , well you tell me . Or ask one of them to tell me , because it 's not fair .
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Well they wo n't ring in , Melanie , at the moment and er we 're r ringing round their homes and trying to trying to get them out of their beds and things , but they 're being a little elusive .
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I 'm not surprised , they 're probably embarrassed .
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Mm . Well listen , if they do come on w And we 've got your mobile number , we 'll ring you back if we find them .
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Certainly , yes .
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And if you 're in the middle of a supermarket , you can talk to them right in the middle of a supermarket .
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I 'm on my way to M F I .
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Are you ?
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Yeah , to give them some stick , so
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Oh really ?
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Certainly , we got a bookcase and there was [UNCLEAR]
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I see .
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and it 's taken about three weeks to get hold of it so I 'm going to see if it 's ready .
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They er They 're they 're such lovely people at er M F I . They would absolutely delighted to speak to you , and d I 'll tell you what to do Melanie .
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Yeah .
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Tell them you 're a friend of mine .
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Alright then .
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Okay .
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I 'll do that .
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See you later .
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Speak to you later bye bye .
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Bye . Okay . If you 've got a phone , whether it 's in your car , in your house , at the bottom of your garden , you can pick it up and give me a ring on [ANONYMIZATION] . And er I do this bit now do n't I ? I do I do er er this is radio Do I do a time check . I 'm going to do a time check . It 's twenty six minutes , alright ? Twenty six minutes past twelve . And then I go , B B C radio York , the station that 's first for travel . And then you take it away , do n't you ? Go on .
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That 's right . Good afternoon James . Starting off on the A one between Catterick and Leaming Bar , the weekend contraflow 's in operation at the moment . All traffics using the south bound carriage way , there are delays at the moment of four miles on the south bound approach , also fairly busy north bound through those road works at the moment . Some good news on the A one , the earlier abnormal loads which were heading southbound and causing some quite lengthy delays near to Boroughbridge , they 're now parked up near to Wetherby so they 're not causing too many problems at the moment . At Stockton on Forest , Stockton Lane Bridge is closed this weekend for resurfacing , that does n't reopen until six o'clock on Monday morning . the M sixty two in west Yorkshire near junction twenty nine , the loft house interchange , there are various roadworks and lane restrictions on the slip roads there , and that 's causing traffic to be slow moving around that junction at the moment . Finally , back in North Yorkshire on the A one six eight , between Dishforth and Thirsk , the contraflow continues between the A one and the A nineteen . Danny Savage A A Roadwatch .
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Thank you very much indeed Danny . And looking at the traffic on the railways , it looks to me as if it 's all absolutely wonderful , hunkydory and everything else , so er unless you 're er er bl s No no no no all the trains right up to the er nine minutes past one Harrogate train er , and the four minutes past one Plymouth train , all seem to be bang on train . And of course as they say , if they 're not , we will let you know . Alright Yeah . Yeah you can call us now . M Ps ' pay or anything you feel about Halloween . Should we be celebrating Halloween or not . If you have a view gives us a ring .
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Prince and er You You You You You . B B C radio York and the Whale show until two this afternoon . And we 'll be talking to the N S P C C in a few moments . Just er er sort We 're going to keep this running through the show . I really do I wish to have an MP here on the phone line and talk about this er proposed pay rise . They can not do this again without expecting us to cause trouble . Cos I have n't said that my MP can have a pay rise , and as I vote for my M P , and you vote for your M P , they have to ask us first as far as I 'm concerned . Alf , hello .
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Hello there .
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Yes Alf .
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Good afternoon to you .
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Hi .
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Er I just thought perhaps this morning , why they 're not answering you is erm they usually have surgeries on a Saturday morning .
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Er they have phones , We 're trying their surgeries and a number of them are still in London and a number of them er
[PS3CD]
Er not replying .
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No . I mean they wo n't you see . The thing the thing about MPs is they they think erm You have to be fairly careful because I I spend quite a lot of time interviewing MPs and I I think that er er they 're quite interesting some of the time to talk to . but if they get the upper hand , and if they think they can start er dictating , then they will , alright ?
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Yeah .
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And you remember that they 're in no position to dictate because they 're there for you and me .
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That 's right , they 're elected by us .
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Of course they are . Now some people may say that thirty one thousand pounds is n't a great deal of money . And and and in the sort of business that a lot of M Ps , or people that become M Ps , and the sort of Mm er way they have to l It may not be a lot of money , and maybe they are entitled to some more . But I do n't think they can go voting themselves more money whilst the rest of us have trouble in finding work .
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Yes , I agree with [UNCLEAR]
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And they 're voting to cut back benefits , so it seems that they perhaps have misjudged . And if they are able to misjudge on on this particular issue , then they are likely to misjudge on other issues , so er we 'll have a chat with them and we 'll find them out what they think and er what they say .
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Okay yeah .
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Erm what are you doing with my headphones ? Are you unplugging those ?
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No .
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Are you sure ?
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[UNCLEAR]
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okay , sorry about that Alf .
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Alright , no problem .
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Er you you 're sort of chatting away and people come in and they 're all over the place , [UNCLEAR] so er
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[UNCLEAR] station where you are then ?
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I know it 's like it 's like like the train station , is n't it ? In York really . Er so you 're not Are you bothered one way or the other , or not ?
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Erm .
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You did n't sound too bothered to me .
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No I suppose not in a sense , but there again we should be because like you 've just explained , why should they give themselves a [UNCLEAR]
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Mm .
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without consulting us first .
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Okay . Well hopefully we 're tr we 're chasing around Michael Allison at the moment .
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Oh right .
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Am amongst other people , so we 'll see w we can get him on .
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Well I think he 's been on before and he 's quite a decent chap , I think .
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Is he ? I 've never met Michael Allison so er I 'm sure you 're absolutely right , I shall er wait and find out . Thank you Alf .
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u Bye .
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Bye bye . Er I also want to find the person who 's responsible for the traffic flow in the centre of York , because I think they should be resigning . I 'm not sure why er York is I mean y There are worse traffic jams in York than there are in the west end of London at the moment . So whoever it is who 's er sorted that out , perhaps they will come here before me and er and account for themselves . I was going to do that . O nine Yeah . Right , thank you . Okay res that 's the Yeah ring that number , that 's the number to ring . Now the N S P C C has er warned us of possible Halloween danger and er David I I missed your name there David so you 'll have to remind me what your name is .
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Good morning James .
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David [ANONYMIZATION] is n't it ?
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David [ANONYMIZATION] I 'm
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Yeah .
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I 'm protection manager at the local N S P C C child protection team .
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And I 've just found your microphone as well , which is quite [UNCLEAR]
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Mhm .
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You 'll have to bear with me David , I think you 're only the second person I 've ever had , if you 'll excuse the expression , in this studio . So you 're on there . Trick or treat , which is an American idea , which seems to have come er come over here over the past , ooh I do n't know , five tens years has n't it really ?
[PS3CF]
I was I was wondering too , myself , as I was travelling here where where it actually came from because er I do n't remember as a child , myself , doing something like this .
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No but we do W we we 've always er celebrated Guy Fawkes for some strange reason , which seems
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Yeah .
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to be a very unusual bit of history to celebrate .
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Yeah . [UNCLEAR]
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Particularly when it went wrong and after all the man was purely a terrorist . But why do we I mean why do we encourage kids to go out like this at the moment . I mean there were four or five knocking on door of er a friend of mine the other day , who said y They were they were under the age of ten .
[PS3CF]
Yeah . Yeah . I ca n't answer your question about why we encourage them to go out . We As you see from our press releases , certainly not encouraging children to go out
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Mm .
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and er if they do , what we 're hoping to do by this particular campaign is to warn parents and carers of the of some of the dangers of doing that . But I think trick or treat itself , maybe has got a bit perhaps distorted from what one might imagine the American idea originally was .
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Mm .
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Perhaps in local communities where children might actually have Their trick might have been something entertaining erm and the treat itself might have been something like erm you know American
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Mm .
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candy or something like that .
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Yeah , but I mean we 're getting away
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Wha
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from it , the things is
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And that 's right , but what we 've got now is children going around knocking doors , perhaps knocking on elderly peoples doors
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Mm .
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certainly knocking on strangers doors , and er demanding Almost demanding money erm or they 'll do something perhaps quite unpleasant to someone . And that 's I ca n't help thinking that 's really got quite some way away from the original idea .
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[UNCLEAR] when the kids get s thumped er we all get we all c Are your headphones alright there ? [UNCLEAR]
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[UNCLEAR]
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Okay . Er it 's seems to me really I 'm just scanning your your press release now , for the sake of the children .
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Mm .
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Er N S P C C warns of possible Halloween dangers . I would have though Halloween was a danger cos it really is First of all it 's a satanic er celebration , that 's everybody seems to think it 's great , we 'll dress up as er as witches and demons and things like that . that 'll be fine . And nobody Even the church I mean I know the church ca n't agree on anything at the moment , we 're sitting here just down the road of course , the general synod of the church of whatsit and the archbishop of thingummybob is sitting there over their muesli and cornflakes I should imagine at the moment , or a late brunch , erm n not saying anything . I have n't seen one church official saying that Halloween should be scrapped and we should n't be celebrating it , or maybe the churches ought to be er putting forward some idea of their own .
[PS3CF]
No , they 've obviously got other things on their plates , at the moment , have n't they , that they perhaps feel is more important [UNCLEAR]
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And I do n't see y you actually saying that er perhaps this is er You know this is th th th the sort of the fun of the devil , here .
[PS3CF]
Mm . You mentioned earlier on that that perhaps er like with Guy Fawkes , there 's a lot of things that come from the past , from our history and we lose Perhaps we lose a bit of sight about where they 've come from . And many of those things do have dangers attached to them but they also have , potentially , a bit of f er er fun attached to [UNCLEAR]
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Really ? I do n't see any fun in this David ,
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Mm .
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I 'm very sorry , I do n't I ca n't understand what what
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Well .
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pretending to be the devil
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Okay if you let
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is going to do .
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let me finish what I was going to say .
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Go on then .
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Erm I think what the N S P C C by by bringing out this particular information to help parents and carers with trick or treat , is wanting to do is is to make sure that the fun that children are wanting to have does n't actually go badly wrong . Erm and er that it 's maybe very important at a time like this when children are potentially going and and knocking on stranger 's doors to be particularly careful so what we 've done is is is put together a simple guide for parents and carers erm which suggests that er they should n't just let their children go off for the evening . Erm that they should know where they 're going to go . That ideally they should actually be doing this with just family or friends , erm or or or adults that they actually know .
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Mm .
[PS3CF]
Not not this going off . But if they 're gon na go off they ought to be telling their parents where they 're going to go . Erm and and when they 're going to be back . Erm we 're certainly very keen indeed that that young children are n't just allowed to go off er in ones or twos . That th that if they 're going to go they go with older children or or adults , there 's no reason why
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Mm .
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they ca n't actually do this , if they 're going to do it and we 're certainly not encouraging them to do it , but if they 're going to do it then [UNCLEAR] there 's no reason why they could n't do it with adults .
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Mm .
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But they certainly should n't be encouraged to go into strangers ' houses and we 'd also ask er people who perhaps do have children knocking on their door not to invite them in either . Erm
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The last flipping thing I do , invite them in .
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Yeah .
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I I actually have a bucket of cold water just behind the door and I could n't care what age they are , whack .
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Right , fine well maybe you ought to be announcing where you live James at the end of this so
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No thank you .
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so it can be avoided by any children
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No thank you . It 's the only fun I have .
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[UNCLEAR] It 's a serious point , it 's a serious point because some people erm perhaps do like to
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Mm .
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respond positively to children so oh yes yes come in hold on
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Yeah .
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a minute I 'll see if I can get you something
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Well they 're stupid .
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and of course
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I mean they 're absolutely stupid I had
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Yeah
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this trouble once with a with a young child and er I told this this this person er granny figure if you like , do n't talk to those children I 've told them not to [UNCLEAR] they went on and on and on . I mean you ca n't have it both ways
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No .
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you know , people have got to realize that this day and age er children are taught not to talk to strangers
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Yeah .
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and however genteel that stranger maybe it 's actually giving the children the wrong signals .
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Yeah yeah that 's right , and the next door they th the next door they kno knock on there might perhaps be someone who perhaps
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Mm .
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does have some idea in mind that 's going to cause harm to the child and the child innocently goes in . [UNCLEAR]
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So if you 're a parent and you 're allowing your kids to go out on er trick or treat night or Halloween , then you do n't deserve to have children .
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David did n't say that , I said that
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[UNCLEAR]
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you know , lets not mix our words [UNCLEAR] nice and mealy-mouthed about it . If you allow your young children particularly children under the age of ten out you are a fool .
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It might be interesting to actually If if the paren if the children are insisting , cos children put a lot of parents er a lot of pressure on their parents . Oh everybody does this , I want to go out too I want to go out . If if parents let [UNCLEAR]
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Well if you ca n't control your children you should n't flipping well have them .
[PS3CF]
If parents allowed their children to go out last year , what about going out with them this year ? How how about that as a very practical suggestion or as you say perhaps finding
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Yeah .
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something else to do with them instead .
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Okay David , thanks very much indeed for your time and for talking to us today but er if you have a view on that you might like to give us a call . Er I should say that [UNCLEAR] I 'm only saying this because it 's written in front of me , some churches apparently in York are putting on alternative festivities er I do n't think they 're trying very hard because I have n't heard of any and I certainly do n't [UNCLEAR] move around the place , hear of any . Others are holding traditional barn dances and parties etc . That will be as much as fun as er Sunday school I expect and probably just as well attended . So if you have any views on Halloween , trick or treating , and er remember what David and the N S P C C said . Do n't , I mean it 's silly knocking on strangers ' doors , it really is ridiculous knocking on strangers ' doors . Any views give us a call , . Elaine Paige I do n't know why I played that was the wrong record to play . I hate that record . She 's not a bad person , actually I quite like Elaine Paige but er I hate that record . I do n't know why I hate it I just hate it okay . Er O nine O four s oh hang on I 'll l l l=let you do this okay go on take it take it . That 's the number ring in . I 've got the Beatles , I 've got the Beatles next . I have yes I 'm picking up I 'm picking up , I 'm picking up Ellen hello . Ellen ?
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Ellen ? I 'm not Ellen
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How are you ? Is it Ellen ?
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No .
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Oh it 's Michael is it ?
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Now then James .
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Michael .
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How are you ?
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I 'm fine . Why why did I think you were Ellen ?
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Well .
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Now Ellen was on the other line . I do n't know why . Ellen was on yellow which is twenty two and you are on whatever er white which is er twenty nineteen
[PS3CG]
That 's right I have no idea
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Does that answer your question ?
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I can only take your word for that .
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Okay well it 's true .
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Right . Okay .
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Michael from York
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Now then how are you ? We spoke last week actually
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Oh you 're the wealthy one the Rothschild one are n't you
[PS3CG]
No I 'm just normal .
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Oh just normal .
[PS3CG]
I just wanted to
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Not according to all the people who phoned in afterwards .
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Now listen to me
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Go on .
[PS3CG]
We 're having a bonfire this Friday
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Yeah
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And we have n't got a guy .
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Well I 'm not coming
[PS3CG]
Are you interested ?
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No absolutely not .
[PS3CG]
Can I book you to go on top of the bonfire
[PS3C8]
No you ca n't . How much by the way ?
[PS3CG]
Er what 's your normal rate ?
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Er for you , travelling to York what do you think ? Five grand ?
[PS3CG]
Five grand , no problem as long as you 're prepared to er go up in smoke .
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Oh go up in smoke . that 's another ten . That 's another ten grand fifteen grand I 'll sit up on top of the bonfire until it gets hot
[PS3CG]
[UNCLEAR] we ought to have a phone in James . Who would who would want you to go on top of the bonfire .
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Okay well we can do that . O nine o four six four one six four one . If you would like to see me on top of Michael 's bonfire ring in and the er th th the more amount of votes we get in for that
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[UNCLEAR] listen to me . What we ought to do we 'll have the vote in
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We will will we ?
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Who Well if you if you [UNCLEAR] it 's your show of course
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I 'm glad you remembered that
[PS3CG]
Right . Well for the time being
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[PS3CG]
we 'll have a vote who would rather go on top of the bonfire you or me .
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You or me ?
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Yeah .
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Well w nobody knows you I mean [UNCLEAR]
[PS3CG]
Yes they do I 'm very famous .
[PS3C8]
A B You are are you ? Well we did have a few of your funny friends on afterwards saying do you know this man is he he he is er got the best in parties . If you want a party he 's the one to go to .
[PS3CG]
Really ?
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They said you 've got some wowee parties
[PS3CG]
Oh well there you go you see , now are you interested then Friday night ?
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Friday night
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Yeah .
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Sitting on your bonfire ?
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Yeah .
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Absolutely not
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Why not ?
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Well , cos I 'm not .
[PS3CG]
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I 'm going to be busy Friday night
[PS3CG]
Okay well the offer was there anyway .
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Listen Michael it 's very very nice . When you 're having another one of those parties I read about in the Sport .
[PS3CG]
In the Sport ?
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In the Jacuzzi with the girls I 'm your man
[PS3CG]
[UNCLEAR] delivered daily do n't you I 'm going to have to go my lunch is on the table .
[PS3C8]
Oh what you having ?
[PS3CG]
Pate on toast actually . [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C8]
Really ? Well you 're on a diet are n't you ? You what ?
[PS3CG]
In fact in fact , we 've just moved in today into this place .
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Yeah .
[PS3CG]
I do n't know if you 're doing anything this afternoon but we want a cleaner
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You do ?
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Yeah .
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Do you pay good rates ? What do you pay ?
[PS3CG]
Yeah whatever you want .
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Yeah . I m I m I 'll do anything for money , I 'll literally will do almost anything Is your wife there ?
[PS3CG]
Yes .
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Let me have a word with her if she 's attractive then I might come over .
[PS3CG]
Wendy .
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Wendy , bendy Wendy .
[HUVPSUNK]
Hello James .
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Wendy , how are you ?
[HUVPSUNK]
I 'm very well thank you how are you ?
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I 'm very well too . My sympathies . It must
[HUVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] so like my husband and I would like all the listeners to know
[PS3C8]
It must be difficult .
[HUVPSUNK]
It 's very difficult . We 've only be married actually erm eighteen months .
[PS3C8]
Why ? I mean presumably he 's got a lot of money I mean
[HUVPSUNK]
Well
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is he going to last long ?
[HUVPSUNK]
Well , every now and then he has a bit .
[PS3C8]
Does he ?
[HUVPSUNK]
Yeah .
[PS3C8]
Okay . I mean have you got him well insured ?
[HUVPSUNK]
Very well insured .
[PS3C8]
Good girl , listen that 's the only thing I mean that 's
[HUVPSUNK]
The life insurance would be wonderful
[PS3C8]
Pardon ?
[HUVPSUNK]
The life insurance would be wonderful .
[PS3C8]
It would would it ?
[HUVPSUNK]
[PS3C8]
Well you better erm no no no I must n't be seen to encourage that sort of thing .
[HUVPSUNK]
No not over the air .
[PS3C8]
No . What 's the new house like ?
[HUVPSUNK]
Erm well it will be very nice but it 's a bit like a building site .
[PS3C8]
Is it ?
[HUVPSUNK]
Mm but it will be nice .
[PS3C8]
What are the neighbours like ?
[HUVPSUNK]
Erm
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I mean you sound enormously younger than he is .
[HUVPSUNK]
Do I ?
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Yes and presumably you are . It 's sort of the old man young wife syndrome
[HUVPSUNK]
erm well only about a year only about a year younger .
[PS3C8]
Really ?
[HUVPSUNK]
Er we 've got one lot of neighbours who seem very pleasant and we do n't have any other neighbours .
[PS3C8]
Oh that 's okay then .
[HUVPSUNK]
So er it should be fine .
[PS3C8]
Yeah he 's debauched himself quite a lot judging by his voice .
[HUVPSUNK]
Well he 's an unsavoury person really but I 'll hand him back , he 's lurking around .
[PS3C8]
Is he lurking around ?
[HUVPSUNK]
To talk to you .
[PS3C8]
Okay fine thanks Wendy it 's our secret bye .
[PS3CG]
Hello [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C8]
Er what a lovely wife she says what a lovely man you are .
[PS3CG]
Pardon ?
[PS3C8]
S Say again .
[PS3CG]
Listen all you viewers out there , is it viewers on the radio ?
[PS3C8]
Yes it can be whatever you like .
[PS3CG]
If you would prefer t if you would like to see James Whale on top of bonfire please ring in .
[PS3C8]
Thank you Michael
[PS3CG]
Alright .
[PS3C8]
Have a lovely afternoon .
[PS3CG]
[UNCLEAR] speak to you again
[PS3C8]
And my sympathies once again to your lovely wife . Er [ANONYMIZATION] is the number to ring and we 're still looking for a North Yorkshire M P . Have we found Michael Allison yet ? [UNCLEAR] Are we ? He was exhausted by his debate on the church I do n't well probably because nobody else turned up . It was one of those debates when nobody else turns up , but on a more serious note I 'm concerned that the th th the problems and we 've had them here in North Yorkshire caused by terrorism in Northern Ireland and whilst debating Northern Ireland erm there were very few . There was about fifty percent full the house of Commons was about fifty percent full which I thought was a little worrying . Not to worry right lets go and fine Ellen er on yellow which is [UNCLEAR] twenty two . Ellen ? hello Ellen ? No ca n't be on yellow can it ? Ellen does n't seem to be on yellow , is she ? You think she is Is she ? Okay . Right well let me er let me let met me just er try this one ? Ellen ?
[PS3C8]
Morning .
[PS3C8]
Lemon ?
[PS3C8]
Morning .
[PS3C8]
Morning ! Oh Morning .
[PS3C8]
Good morning .
[PS3C8]
God , you 're load there .
[PS3C8]
[PS3C8]
Where are you ?
[PS3C8]
I 'm at Scarborough .
[PS3C8]
Are you ?
[PS3C8]
Yes .
[PS3C8]
Er is it smelling still ?
[PS3C8]
Oh it 's er it 's overcast but it 's quite pleasant .
[PS3C8]
Overcast but quite pleasant .
[PS3C8]
Yes .
[PS3C8]
Have we got any coffee left guys ? Bring me a cup of coffee . Thank you . Yes Ellen what can I do I I 'll tell you . I can read what they said about you . Do you want me to tell you ?
[PS3C8]
Well you can do .
[PS3C8]
It says Ellen [ANONYMIZATION] in Scarborough , regarding children and trick or treat and general behaviour .
[PS3C8]
Well it 's not the general behaviour of children really . It 's not the children that I get so annoyed on the the trick or treat and the previous running up to the bonfire night . Er the amount of children
[PS3C8]
Yes .
[PS3C8]
that actually
[PS3C8]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C8]
sit outside pub doorways until nine ten o'clock at night Now a lot of these children are on the average [UNCLEAR] er eight nine ten eleven twelve year olds
[PS3C8]
Oh I needed that .
[PS3C8]
now I mean you know , they 're a bit young .
[PS3C8]
They are very young .
[PS3C8]
[UNCLEAR] They 're too young I mean you 've got the dark nights on
[PS3C8]
Mm .
[PS3C8]
and with everything that 's happening with children ,
[PS3C8]
Yeah .
[PS3C8]
I mean they ca n't even go to the shops sometimes and they 're not safe . It 's been proven .
[PS3C8]
But what what do you say these I mean what sort of people are are having these children ? I mean they 're totally degenerate inadequates are they ?
[PS3C8]
You know I 've had er I 've I 've had seven children myself . [UNCLEAR]
[PS3C8]
Well you should be ashamed of yourself
[PS3C8]
allowed my children to go out on trick or treat .
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What 'd you have had seven kids for for goodness sake ?
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Well I had , they 've all grown up now .
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Er if I was in power I 'd put a tax on every child after two I would have taxed you out of existence Ellen .
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Ah ha well .
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You could have got a T V or listened to the radio .
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Well yes , I suppose so but I would n't be without 'em .
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Well I suppose not .
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But the point is it 's [UNCLEAR]
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Mind you I would at Christmas .
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yeah , it 's it 's the people that do allow their children to go out , and I 'm sure there 's a lot of parents out there that agree with me on this point , you know ,
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Mm .
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I mean it it just should n't be allowed .
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Yeah but it 's You know it 's it 's it it is it 's stupid . I mean the only people who do it are the parents themselves .
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Well they 're to blame . Obviously I mean
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they let them go out and they do n't know where they are , but the majority of of children that do it year in and running up to Christmas time they do exactly the same at Christmas ,
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Mm .
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Christmas carolling and walking in to pubs .
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Well I think pub landlords are to blame . I mean there we are we 've got a er purveyors of er intoxicating liquor allowing children to go in to their bars or hang around outside .
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Yeah but the point is I mean if the barman 's busy in the pub on a night time and it 's dark he do n't know whose outside
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Mm .
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does he ? [UNCLEAR]
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No you 're probably right .
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could n't particularly blame a landlord for that .
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I do n't know what you can do about it though because if people are that thick , there 's nothing much you can do about it is there ?
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No , but I mean it 's it 's too late crying is n't it
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Yeah .
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if anything happens .
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So do n't ring up complaining that your kids were sort of er abused or whatever if you let them out .
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If you let them go out at night exactly .
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Lets see what other people say thank you Ellen
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Yes alright , thank you .
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Have a nice Saturday bye bye .
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Bye .
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Okay want to give me a call after the news we 've got erm a little music after the news and then if you want to ring you can do that now erm about anything you like . If you want to talk about something different MPs voting themselves er twice the rate of inflation pay rise . If you want to have your say on that feel free . And let me just before we take the music remind you of er the front page of the daily mirror today . We 're hoping to get somebody from erm the rape crisis centre on the phone to talk about this . I find this particularly disgusting . Front page of the mirror . After ex-law minister 's outburst women deserve rape says M P's wife . Women deserve rape says M P's wife . I think we should make a phone call to the constituency office of this man and ask them what they think of their er representative . Hang on , oh . According to Nicholas Fairburn 's housekeeper he and his wife has gone out . I would have thought they would be hi hiding under the bed for saying this . Let me read it to you . Many women deserve to be raped a Tory M P's wife said yesterday . Sir Nicholas Fairburn 's wife Sam , backed her husband 's astonishing views that there is no such crime as rape . I repeat , there is no such crime as rape . It may sound nasty but a man would never look at some of those women she said . A lot of women deserve to be raped . It 's not fair on a man if a woman undresses and then changes her mind , at the last minute . Once a man is sexually aroused and is quite it is quite difficult to stop is n't it ? It might be difficult but that 's the difference between well never mind . She added it 's the nature of the beast a sign of the times . Now I do n't know but I would imagine that Lord and Lady Fairburn should be drummed out of Parliament , well he should . I have never ever in my life read anything so ridiculous . If you want to make a commit you can ring me now call now . O nine O four , if you 're outside York , . Call now . [UNCLEAR] turn me mike on now and speak do n't I ? That was my impression of a Leeds accent . Do you like that ? Er right welcome back B B C Radio York Whaley 's on until er two this afternoon and before we do anything else er a little bit I saw in the paper , Unions about turn , that 's the shop workers ' union known as USDOR erm have done an about turn and they now say because they saw the writing on the wall , that they think Sunday trading is okay , well more or less . Er and they have forced erm their union to aban or the shop workers have forced their union to abandon its previous policy erm and back opening on the sabbath . I am as you probably know a huge supporter of Sunday trading . I always shop on Sunday and I just thought that it was nice to see in the paper today it looks like we will have legalized Sunday trading everywhere for all of us fairly soon . Good I 'm very very pleased , very pleased . Er Chris [ANONYMIZATION] is on the line . We 'll talk to Chris before we play a bit of music . Hello Chr hang on a minute Chris do n't go away hello Chris .
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Is that you ?
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Yes .
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I think it is .
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[UNCLEAR] thinking er you were saying that er
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You were what ?
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pagan feast .
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Did you say you were thinking ?
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You I was thinking
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Oh you were thinking oh good that makes a change for our callers
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[UNCLEAR] You were saying that er Halloween is as pagan feast .
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Yes .
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[UNCLEAR] so 's Christmas why should n't so why should n't we not celebrate that so to speak ?
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I do n't I do n't celebrate Christmas do you ?
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Well I do , but I want I want to [UNCLEAR] guy who rang in that wanted you to sit on top of his bonfire .
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Mm .
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Why did n't you ask him to sit on top of your Christmas tree ? A s see how he liked it . You think I think it was a bit mean of him .
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Well I think he would have enjoyed it too much to be quite honest with you that 's why I did n't do it .
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[UNCLEAR] you never know .
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You know . I think he might he might well have enjoyed it .
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[UNCLEAR] I do n't know .
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[UNCLEAR] Yes well I suppose so
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A anyway lovely to talk to you .
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Okay .
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Thank you Chris .
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Bye bye . Marvellous absolutely marvellous . We 'll take in some more calls after this . Erm And yes you 've guessed it an old Motown hit from erm back in the sixties . Samantha Reeves and the Vandellas , Dancing in the Street . Samantha Reeves Dancing in the Street . And you 're tuned to Radio York on the Whale show until two and er now we shall probably although the phones are ringing at the moment erm run out of calls I should think because between one and two I know most of you are having your lunch or at the pub or whatever . So er give us a call if you 're there . Er William [ANONYMIZATION] doyen of the broadcasting standards council and a man whose seems to er I do n't know I do n't know whether he courts bad publicity or he but anyway . He 's in the paper today saying why I now believe drug taking should be made legal , and er I think he er he 's absolutely right . I do n't understand why we make the poor so and so 's who are addicted to er to drugs er fear the law as well . If we were to decriminalize drug taking we would probably go a long way down the road to solving the problem . Got any views on that because er bear in mind a lot of the towns and even some of the villages in North Yorkshire have a a problem with drug taking now er that the police are quite concerned about it . So William [ANONYMIZATION] erm on Thursday night erm he said on B B C's Question Time erm which was given over to crime and punishment issues which had not been debated and erm William [ANONYMIZATION] said he 'd a come to the conclusion now that he believed drug taking should be made legal . Er I do n't know if you have any views on that , give us a call . And super model 's pay has gone down from ten thousand pounds to er five hundred pounds a day . So if you were thinking of becoming a super model , my suggestion is that er you do n't do it alright because it 's er it 's not worth it . It 's I mean would you get out of bed for five hundred quid a day ? Would you get out of bed for five hundred pounds of course you would n't . So er if you 're thinking of becoming a super model if there is anybody out there who 's thinking of becoming a super model perhaps you 'll give me a ring and er and I can break the bad news to you personally . We also wanted to know if anybody had any views on [UNCLEAR] I mean it . We
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So Sunday mornings lie-in time right ? Right now I do n't want to get you up I want to encourage you to set your alarm for seven o'clock , quite low , and when I come on at about two minutes past just snuggle up to your wireless and enjoy the music and the news and the views about the religious scene in and around North Yorkshire and beyond . What more can I offer you ? Well sport , traffic and travel , what 's on , think for a minute and plenty of opinion . So go gently in to every week , every Sunday morning with me Simon [ANONYMIZATION] and a Sunday breakfast show , seven till nine , join me you 'll enjoy it .
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Oh good , er , That 's the first time I 've heard religious [UNCLEAR] sort of erm I better not say what I was going to say . [UNCLEAR] Sunday morning [UNCLEAR] Sorry , er right , where is he ? Where is he ? John John [ANONYMIZATION] is it ? Erm John John [ANONYMIZATION] are you there ?
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Yes hello .
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Hi John , tell me what you do .
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I 'm the er information officer at the North Yorkshire European Community Office in York .
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You are are n't you ?
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Indeed .
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I 'm I 'm I 'm absolutely glad you 've told me that and of course what is the big day that 's coming up on Monday ?
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It 's the er official day of the ratification of the Maastricht treaty .
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Yeah .
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Yeah . And are there going to be flags in the street ? Bonfires burning and fireworks being let off ?
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I think it 's highly unlikely .
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Oh .
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Unlikely indeed .
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Oh that that must be a bit galling for you , really , John .
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Er well I mean I 'll have my fireworks on Friday night the fifth of November but erm
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Oh that 's a great erm celebration of terrorism is n't it yes .
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Well I would n't quite put it like that [UNCLEAR]
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Why ?
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But erm
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Would n't you I would I mean was n't Guy Fawkes a terrorist ?
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Well
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He was . Do n't mince your words John he was . You 're not studying to become a politician are you ?
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Oh no way .
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Are you sure ?
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Absolutely .
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Because that was a politician 's I 'll play that trailer for the Sunday breakfast show again in a few moments and get you terribly excited .
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Absolutely .
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Erm so nobody 's excited about it , not many people knew about it .
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Well I would n't actually say nobody 's excited about it I mean I think that the way these things happen is that they they 're gradual rather than er
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Mm .
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accumulative I mean er
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So on Monday when I wake up Monday morning ,
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Yeah .
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How will things be different for me ?
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Well th there are a number of ways in which there are differences I mean that that that there are things that people might notice themselves er as opposed to kind of , you know , high high politics , are
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Mm .
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are things like erm in the area of what you might call citizenship , for example in the er European elections you could erm vote in another European country , you could actually stand for election in another European country .
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Yeah .
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Erm there are different things that e effect consumer policy , environmental policy , and there are lots of things that happen in the educational field . I think that erm young people in particular will see some differences in the way that they can move around different European countries , for example study in another European
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Mm .
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country or if you gain a qualification erm in er in another European country you can use it in any other one of the E C twelve . So it 's sort of a mobility thing and erm I think people will notice it on erm on that kind of level erm but as I say it 's a gradual process it 's cumulative and erm
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So basically there was no no point in it what so ever John
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Well I 'm I 'm not some I would n't I would n't say that I mean I 'm saying that erm
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Well you should n't say that John , you 'd be out of a a job , would n't you ?
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Well I I do n't have any er mandates , [UNCLEAR] I mean it 's not my er
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Mm .
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I I 'm basically just erm giving information about it I do n't have any mandates [UNCLEAR]
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Is n't this Okay . Is n't this going to make it difficult now , I mean with jobs the way they are , does this mean tat people can come in from erm E C countries and er there is no reason why they should n't be given a job erm against somebody who lives in this country ?
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Well that 's absolutely true . [UNCLEAR]
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And there 's I mean it 's the same for us , as well so er
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That 's true , yeah .
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Yeah .
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Erm it 's a it 's a two way street . I mean er erm it 's a single market for every citizen of the E C twelve so an Italian , a Belgian , a German can come to this country and work , er but the p Assuming they can do everything else as equal , their qualifications are equal and so on .
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Mm .
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Erm but the converse is true , that er er er a British national can go and work in all of those countries , so [UNCLEAR] instead of seeing it as a threat , I mean one can easily see it as an opportunity .
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It 's interesting though , that after all this aggravation , the fact that er the Prime Minister nearly lost his job , er there was nearly another election erm there 's going to be no celebrations , no fireworks , no balloons , no huge dinners on Monday we 're just going to sort of peter into the Maastricht treaty coming into effect .
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Well I think that 's a good way of putting it , absolutely , I mean er As as I say but it it is erm I think it 's been a long process and to get I mean it 's taken nearly two years since the
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Mm .
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treaty was actually signed and the process has been so long and er various people have been er As it were , knocked with the Danish referendum , the french referendum , and John Major 's had his own difficulties in getting through the house of commons . Erm
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Well there 's an understatement , yes .
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Absolutely .
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[UNCLEAR] and I do n't think that it 's the kind of erm erm b bonfire night , fireworks celebration type
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Mm .
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of event but erm I do n't think that that makes it er negative , I think that the idea is that it 's it 's cumulative and er that 's that 's the way , well as you say , [UNCLEAR] .
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Okay . Thank you very much indeed for talking to us John er er and I 'm so sorry it 's not going to be more of a a m m milestone in your life .
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You know I mean always looked forward to champagne but er there we are .
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Thanks John .
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Thank you .
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Bye bye .
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Bye .
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Radio York the Whale Show on a Saturday afternoon . Now Welsh M P , this is quite funny , has moved the motion if you 'll excuse me on the subject of public loos . He rightly points out that we need more ladies toilets and if you know you get the chance to to use the ladies loo it 's cleaner and better looked after than the men 's , I 've heard . Erm and the simple reason he says the the historical length of time taken by females we need more public facilities . Also to make them more user friendly especially for mums with toddlers in tow , they need to be more roomy . Of all the things the Welsh MPs have got to talk about they decided public toilets are the most important . You have a view on a public loo then give us a ring , rather seedy unfriendly dirty smelling of urine places if you want my own public opinion . O nine O four six four one six four one O nine O four six four one six four one . I want you to pick up your phone and call me now cos I could do with a couple of phone calls so pick it up now O nine O four six four one six four one . Hello oops hello Jennifer . No not Jennifer hang on just a minute let me try Jennifer there . Hello Jennifer ? No on blue on on blue on blue what blu what number is blue ? Twenty three okay well I 've it on twenty three I do n't know why it 's not working . Let's try again . Hello Jennifer ? No let me try this one . Erm Jennifer hello .
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Hello .
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Hello what 's that noise ? I knew this was going to happen it 's going to be one of those days . Jennifer ?
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Hello .
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You 've got you 've got a funny thing on your whatsit .
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I do n't know what it is .
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Have you got your radio on Jennifer ?
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No .
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No it 's not a radio sound . It sound like a baby alarm to me .
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No I have n't got a baby alarm either .
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Have n't got a baby alarm eith oh well that 's okay that 'll be fine I do n't care . I 'm gon na have another cup of coffee do you mind ?
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Not at all .
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Okay . Where are you calling from let me have a look up there . [UNCLEAR] oh Jennifer [UNCLEAR] from York .
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That 's right .
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Oh I thought you were calling from [UNCLEAR] . I was going to say I did n't know there was such a place .
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There 's [UNCLEAR] .
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There is [UNCLEAR] is n't there .
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Yes .
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But that 's up erm is n't that up
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There 's Thirsk
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Thirsk yeah
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Yeah .
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[UNCLEAR] yeah it 's up near Middlesbrough is n't it somewhere up that way .
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Yeah that way yes yes .
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Mm .
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But no from York from Osbaldwick .
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Oh God this coffee 's cold urgh .
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Well apparently we ca n't find anywhere to to make coffee yeah . Oh I 've got ta do the can you can you sorry about this Jennifer
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That 's okay .
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I 've got to take the traffic now . Can I take the traffic now I think I 'm gon na yeah that 's that 's okay . Would you would you hang on just a minute ?
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Certainly will .
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And would you give me points out of ten for how I get into this okay ?
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Right .
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All right here we go . Er right I 'll just leave you there for a moment and put that back up there . I have to say something like hang on just one minute erm I have to pull this faded down do n't I go B B C Radio York the station that 's always first for travel .
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Good afternoon James . Well starting off on the A one between Catterick and Leeming Bar there 's the weekend contraflow in operation there today . All traffics using the southbound carriageway at the moment there are delays of about five to six miles on the southbound approach to those roadworks also quite busy northbound at the moment . Otherwise the A one is quite busy throughout the region but no other major problems are reported . Football this afternoon Scarborough are playing Bury at the McCain Stadium so you can expect some extra traffic in Scarborough town centre with that football . Also at Stockton on Forest Stockton Lane bridge is closed over this weekend . That 's for resurfacing work through to six o'clock on Monday morning . The A one six eight between Dishforth and Thirsk still has the contraflow in place between the A one and the A nineteen and finally just a reminder that er contraflow on the A one at Catterick is causing southbound delays of between five and six miles . Danny Savage A A Roadwatch .
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Very very well done Danny I thought you were good . How am I doing by the way Jennifer ?
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Oh ten out of ten .
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Ten out of ten thank you very much indeed Jennifer . Er I see actually that er there is a little delay on the one thirty three London Kings Cross train . That 's not going till one forty five and the one th er twenty five Manchester Victoria is not going till one thirty nine and the one twenty Manchester Airport is n't going till one twenty eight but there 's no big deal about any of that really so most of the trains are on time that you . More traffic oh hang on turn that off right more traffic and travel a bit of a bodge-up at the end there really Jennifer .
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Right
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Erm . Right Jennifer 's on from York . What we going to talk about ?
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Erm about the Halloween about
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Oh right yes yes
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Yep right .
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Yes yes . Erm I have n't actually been listening to the programme I was asleep I 've got to be honest .
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Why ? It was n't that boring .
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No not
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It was n't that boring . What d' ya mean you were asleep . I was on T V until two o'clock this morning . How come you were asleep ?
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Well just that kind of person I suppose .
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Oh God .
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I du n no .
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What do you do Jennifer ? I 'm just I 'm interested .
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I 'm a domestic maintenance engineer .
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A housewife I see .
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Right you 've heard that one before . Yes erm
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Yeah but housewives do n't usually go to sleep at this time in the afternoon .
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Right . I was up a six this morning does that
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Mm .
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you know .
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Where 's the old man ?
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Oh he is n't I 'm on my own .
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Are you ?
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Yes .
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Oh probably just as well you can please yourself what you do now .
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Exactly .
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Yeah .
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Yes yes . I do have two children though so
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Yeah .
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Halloween thing does affect me .
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Are they going out wanting to go out and sort of terrorize the neighbours or not ?
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Well they 're not erm I 'm a practising Christian
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Oh that 's a chair
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and erm we 're having an event at our church in Osbaldwick
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Mm .
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called Saints Alive which is basically a fun thing sort of celebrating the lives of the Saints .
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I mean I do n't understand why the church or the so called church or whatever you like to call it . There 's the there 's the big one in York is n't there I mean that 's like number one in the land or number two in the land .
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Yep .
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Why is n't he pontificating from the battlements about this . Why is n't he sort of shouting his mouth off about it . He shouts it off about lots of other things . I mean why does n't he say something about it ?
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Well I do n't know I mean I ca n't answer for them . Erm
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But as a as a member of his club you should be able to you should you should be able to bring power to bear on the er the top bod should n't you ?
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Well I do n't know should we ?
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Yeah of course you should . I [UNCLEAR] yes people power .
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[UNCLEAR] individuals and we we can think how we like . I mean we 're not sheep that
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Mm .
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follow what someone else says . There are Christians who believe that there 's nothing wrong with Halloween .
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I do n't I mean I do n't think really the majority of people who mess around at Halloween understand what what is really going on .
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No exactly that 's half the problem .
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Which I think is probably more of a problem for them than anything else .
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Yes yes exactly . They do n't realize just what is can lead to .
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You know look at the debate within the Church of England about erm er female priests female vicars female clergy whatever you want to call it .
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Yep .
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There 's no debate about Halloween . Here we are each year we have a huge celebration of the devil and nobody says a thing .
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Yeah exactly . I mean it is wrong and I do n't think people realize just how wrong it is until they really stop and think about it .
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Mm .
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I mean even I understand you were talking about the children sort of being out in the dark on their own erm even just something as simple as that . Who in their right minds is going to let their children out in the dark ?
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Persuaded by the devil you see . Subliminally persuaded by the devil to let them out .
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Yes well I do n't know I mean C S Lewis says we take the devil in two ways . We either take him too seriously or we 're too flippant about him .
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Mm .
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You know and either way is just dangerous .
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Yeah I agree with you I agree with you . Erm I I am surprised well I do n't I 'm not surprised really they 're probably busy doing things but I thought we might have got a couple of vicars on this er this afternoon to talk about it . But they were probably asleep like you are .
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Oh quite probably or preparing sermons for the morning
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Mm .
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tell people how terribly bad it is tomorrow .
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Will they do that tomorrow ?
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Possibly .
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Yeah oh well never mind . Well er watch how you go you 'd better go back to bed now I suppose .
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Yes yes I think I 'd better .
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All right .
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Okay .
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Jennifer nice talking to you .
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Nice talking to you thanks very much .
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Bye bye .
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Bye bye .
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Okay that was Jennifer . If you want to join me you can pick up the phone give me a ring O nine O four six four one six four one . All those people who 've never done it before and if you 're in bed at the moment I 'll perhaps have a chat with you while you 're in bed this morning . It 's afternoon keep saying that it 's afternoon it 's morning to me this afternoon pick up your phone and give me a ring now O nine O four six four one six four one . Erm hang on just a er just a er Simon ? Hello Simon ? Why is this not working ? There 's a phone call coming in . S hang on . Let me try Simon ?
[PS3CC]
Hello James
[PS3C8]
Hi . Sorry about that Simon I do n't know why we 're not working here .
[PS3CC]
[PS3C8]
One of these little buttons is n't working terribly well . Er can you hang on a minute Simon ?
[PS3CC]
Yeah sure .
[PS3C8]
Okay okay just so I ca n't I need a couple more calls to finish off the programme and take a couple more records er O nine O four six four one six four one would you ring me . Just O nine O four six four one six four one . Anybody anybody in there erm there who 's er just does n't even know why they 're ring that would be quite nice . Simon why are you calling ?
[PS3CC]
Well the other day somebody asked me to sign a petition about date rape
[PS3C8]
Yep .
[PS3CC]
you reminded me of that . They the petition said that there is no difference between rape and date rape .
[PS3C8]
Mm .
[PS3CC]
And er I was standing there I was n't really sure whether I should sign it . Erm you know I thought thought [UNCLEAR] but I 'm not sure if there is a difference . I think there is a difference .
[PS3C8]
I 'm sure there 's a difference . I 'm sure there are there you know there 's there is ordinary nasty horrid aggressive rape when you 're you 're you know like somebody 's attacked from behind or something down a a dark alley . And then there is a different thing called date rape but there is no excuse for either I do n't think .
[PS3CC]
Well I 'm not sure about that either . I mean certainly there 's the horrid sort of thing that happens on date rape
[PS3C8]
Mm .
[PS3CC]
and you know with violence and that and then as you work your way along there 'd be the sort of situation where there is n't any physical violence but there 's intimidation and fear
[PS3C8]
Yep .
[PS3CC]
fear of violence and I think that 's that 's definitely out of order . And then you get you work your way along and you get to the situation where erm the woman is pressured by feelings of embarrassment or social pressure not to say no . And that 's when I think it starts to get into into shady ground where where the woman has n't actually said no because she feels intimidated not by violence but by social pressure . That 's I mean that 's maybe more the fault of society than it is the fault of the of the man that 's involved . And then you get into the situations apparently where erm people decide after they 've had sex
[PS3C8]
Mm .
[PS3CC]
that they did n't enjoy it and therefore it must have been rape cos they did n't wa they did n't like it . Erm and then I think you 've you 've clearly gone outside the definition of rape or outside you know a reasonable
[PS3C8]
Yeah I would agree with that but I do n't think there is er any excuse for a woman to or a man for that matter to say women deserve rape says M P's wife .
[PS3CC]
Oh no I mean he 's g he 's got ta go has n't he ?
[PS3C8]
I mean if if a woman undresses okay let's take a scenario okay Simon maybe er you know you could put yourself in the same situation
[PS3CC]
All right .
[PS3C8]
been out with a woman 's erm undressed in front of you you know you 've done the bit you 've er you 've managed to er within three easy steps undo the bra with one hand whilst er telling her you know you 're a really nice guy and there 's no chance of going too far and all that sort of thing and you know you get you get fairly carried away you may even be under the sheets
[PS3CC]
Yeah .
[PS3C8]
you may even and this is a bit I mean Saturday lunchtime is a bit I 'm almost almost er oh the producer 's going , Careful careful , which he should know is a red flag to a bull and I might say [UNCLEAR] no but I wo n't . Er so maybe you 're both even under the covers naked all right
[PS3CC]
Mm mm .
[PS3C8]
okay and then there 're there 're bits of your body that are are are you know your your your whole being is stirring
[PS3CC]
Could be a bit hard to stop .
[PS3C8]
It could be very hard to stop .
[PS3CC]
Mm .
[PS3C8]
So er as soon as the girl turns to you and says , Right I do n't want to go any further that 's it .
[PS3CC]
Well it 's it 's annoying at that point .
[PS3C8]
It 's very annoying but that 's when you have to stop .
[PS3CC]
[UNCLEAR] but you do have to stop but that is n't to say it is n't very annoying .
[PS3C8]
Okay . But if you were to carry on and the woman was screaming no no no no get off get off get off , as far as I 'm concerned that 's rape .
[PS3CC]
That is yeah . But I think there 's some there 's some grey areas in there .
[PS3C8]
[UNCLEAR] there are but I mean it 's it 's silly for people to say once a man is sexually aroused it 's quite difficult to stop is n't it ? Well it is difficult to stop .
[PS3CC]
I 'm I 'm surprised they have n't got rid of cynics [UNCLEAR] already actually
[PS3C8]
Mm .
[PS3CC]
Erm
[PS3C8]
Well he 's not in he 's out today he 's out he and his wife are out cos we put a phone call in we said let's have a chat with him
[PS3CC]
[PS3C8]
We were just going to ask him about this proposed pay rise that 's all .
[PS3CC]
This thing that that er his wife said about some women deserve it
[PS3C8]
Mm .
[PS3CC]
Funnily enough though there are there are feminist women who are who are saying similar things that saying that it is a bit irresponsible to have gotten into bed with someone and taken all your clothes off and then say no .
[PS3C8]
Yeah but
[PS3CC]
But as you say you at that point you do have to stop .
[PS3C8]
How many though how many men have and you remember , I can just remember ,
[PS3CC]
[PS3C8]
I mean just you know the the sort of , Well look er you know it does n't mean I wo n't respect you and I do n't love you and all that sort of thing .
[PS3CC]
Er I 'm not sure I share your experience there
[PS3C8]
You see and er I mean er are you sure you do n't want and er . We can be persuasive
[PS3CC]
Mm .
[PS3C8]
but there has to be a time when no is no .
[PS3CC]
Just have to avoid being intimidated .
[PS3C8]
Yes you 're right . Simon thanks for calling .
[PS3CC]
All right then .
[PS3C8]
Bye .
[PS3CC]
Bye .
[PS3C8]
I do n't know if I want to talk about this on a Saturday lunchtime I tell you Dan I mean it really is it 's erm What are you doing ?
[PS3C9]
I 've thought of something .
[PS3C8]
Oh have you . What have you thought of ?
[PS3C9]
That silly judge who erm
[PS3C8]
Oh .
[PS3C9]
said that he 's no angel do you remember that case ?
[PS3C8]
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah .
[PS3C9]
He 's done it again .
[PS3C8]
Has he done it again ? He has n't
[PS3C9]
[UNCLEAR] still working .
[PS3C8]
I 'm I 'm surprised at that hang on er we 've got Mark on yellow what number is yellow twenty two . Hello Mark
[PS3CD]
Hello .
[PS3C8]
Hi where are you ?
[PS3CD]
In Scarborough .
[PS3C8]
Okay hang on then Mark . Have you found it ?
[PS3C9]
Not yet .
[PS3C8]
Okay well look for it . Yes Mark ?
[PS3CD]
I 'm completely against Halloweening .
[PS3C8]
You are ?
[PS3CD]
Yep .
[PS3C8]
Well you must be one of the very few I would have thought Mark .
[PS3CD]
Well I 'm sick of it cos you see every year we get little kids coming round to our houses asking for trick or treat
[PS3C8]
Yeah .
[PS3CD]
and I live in a place where there 's a lot of old people and they come round to us and they tell us they 've been scared the night after
[PS3C8]
Mm .
[PS3CD]
they tell us how scared they are and I do n't like listening to it I getting sick of it now .
[PS3C8]
You do n't like listening to who ?
[PS3CD]
Well the old people complain that they 've been scared . Like we get big gangs of kids coming round .
[PS3C8]
Why to they complain to you Mark ?
[PS3CD]
Well we 're friendly with them all .
[PS3C8]
Friendly with who ?
[PS3CD]
All the neighbours .
[PS3C8]
Oh I see right . Yeah .
[PS3CD]
Erm well we 're just sick of them . We get loads of kids coming round big gangs of kids scaring everyone . I mean they do it just [UNCLEAR] do n't make an effort they just come round demanding money .
[PS3C8]
Mm .
[PS3CD]
Well the best thing is a bucket of cold water by the door . No I jest it 's not a good idea . Erm yeah well there we are I mean I I you 're just talking to somebody who 's converted really Mark I mean I think it 's a waste of time it 's er it 's a sort of pagan festival
[PS3CD]
Yes .
[PS3C8]
it 's a copy of something in America . There 's nothing worse than when you 're at home you do n't want people banging unannounced on the door saying trick or treat . Because I know what I 'm going to say to any kids who have the audacity to come to my house which they wo n't but erm and I 'm sure a lot of people do so the rest of the year we we 're encouraging children not to approach strangers and everything else and then this one day of the year or maybe two days or maybe the whole run-up from now until November the fifth you 've got kids begging on the street penny for the guy and all that sort of thing .
[PS3CD]
Yes .
[PS3C8]
It 's just a mockery . It 's a mockery .
[PS3CD]
Disgusting . Well if they come round to ours this year I 'll invite them in I 'll take them to my basement and I 'll lock 'em up for a few days .
[PS3C8]
Well joking apart that 's the sort of thing that could happen to kids and er you you know you wonder why parents let them out .
[PS3CD]
Take 'em around somewhere like Michael Sands 's house .
[PS3C8]
Yeah we ca n't really turn him up he 's fully up actually . Sorry I ca n't turn you up . Why is all that noise going on behind you ?
[PS3CD]
Me ? Cos I 'm at Scarborough seafront .
[PS3C8]
You 're at Scarborough seafront .
[PS3CD]
Yeah .
[PS3C8]
In a phone box ?
[PS3CD]
No .
[PS3C8]
Mobile phone .
[PS3CD]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C8]
What ?
[PS3CD]
Selling ice-creams .
[PS3C8]
Oh selling ice-creams
[PS3CD]
Yes .
[PS3C8]
Yeah is it busy there at the moment ?
[PS3CD]
Not bad .
[PS3C8]
Cos it 's pretty miserable outside is n't it
[PS3CD]
[UNCLEAR] customers waiting but there you go .
[PS3C8]
Have you ?
[PS3CD]
Yeah .
[PS3C8]
You give the phone to the next customer . Who 's the next customer .
[PS3CD]
Next customer 's the lady waiting here .
[PS3C8]
Let me talk to her .
[PS3CD]
Do you want to talk to her ?
[PS3C8]
Yeah .
[PS3CD]
Excuse me . Do you want to talk to James Whale on the radio ?
[PS3C8]
Who ?
[PS3CD]
Do you want to talk to him ? He wants to talk to you . Do n't you ? No one wants to speak to you .
[PS3C8]
Well make her speak . What did you tell her it was me for that 's a putter-off for a start . Why did n't you just thrust the phone into her hand ?
[PS3CD]
They 're all scared you know .
[PS3C8]
Are they ?
[PS3CD]
Yep .
[PS3C8]
Yeah . Are they they they your regular customers ?
[PS3CD]
Well not really .
[PS3C8]
I see . And they know what you 're doing at the moment do they whilst you 're not serving them ice-cream .
[PS3CD]
[UNCLEAR] illicit phone calls .
[PS3C8]
Oh you 're make illicit phone calls .
[PS3CD]
I 've been listening to your programme all morning so .
[PS3C8]
I see .
[PS3CD]
I 'll have to go .
[PS3C8]
Okay watch how you go . Bye .
[PS3CD]
Bye .
[PS3C8]
Fancy telling them it 's me no wonder it 's going to put off . Er the judge who said an eight year old sex victim was no angel , you remember the one of course , yesterday freed two men who had intercourse with a thirteen year old . They he freed two men . Ian [UNCLEAR] heard from police that the girl was more like Mandy Smith than the proverbial school girl and gave both men conditional discharges . He then told the court I had better not say she was an angel or no angel or the national press will have a hundred field days . She was a girl trying to find young men to satisfy her sexual desires . He added , I have to pass a sentence because it is against the law . It would be folly to pass a custodial sentence whatever the Court of Appeal may think . The seventy one year old judge caused uproar in June when he said an eight year old victim of a sex attack was not entirely an angel herself . He gave student Karl [UNCLEAR] two years probation for attempted unlawful sexual intercourse . The Court of Appeal increased his sentence to four months jail yesterday . Judge Hill gave two year conditional discharges to Philip [UNCLEAR] twenty one from Southampton and Keith [UNCLEAR] nineteen of nearby Hythe for unlawful intercourse . Now I do n't know because you know there 's a photograph in that story of Mandy Smith as well and er Mandy Smith looked like Mandy Smith from about the age of fourteen . Erm any views ? You might give us a call O nine O four six four one six four one . John [UNCLEAR] is er on blue on blue on blue on blue twenty three John hello . Hello John ? Hello John
[PS3CE]
Good after good afternoon .
[PS3C8]
Got you John yes John .
[PS3CE]
Yes .
[PS3C8]
Hi .
[PS3CE]
Hello .
[PS3C8]
Er you 're on John .
[PS3CE]
Yes .
[PS3C8]
You 're on the air John . Your turn John .
[PS3CE]
Good afternoon .
[PS3C8]
I beg your pardon John .
[PS3CE]
Do you want to hear my opinions about er what we spoke about yesterday ? Er you were on about ye I spoke yesterday about Halloween .
[PS3C8]
Oh did you it was n't me but yes go on you you feel free .
[PS3CE]
Must have been somebody else . Okay well er there are [UNCLEAR] seem one
[PS3C8]
I mean is it worth it ? You might as well
[PS3CE]
children is n't it
[PS3C8]
might as well go home . Yes John .
[PS3CE]
Hello .
[PS3C8]
Hello .
[PS3CE]
What 's going on ?
[PS3C8]
Have n't a clue John we 're all mad are n't we ?
[PS3CE]
Well some of us .
[PS3C8]
I 'll take a lead from you . Anyway John you go on .
[PS3CE]
Right .
[PS3C8]
Yeah .
[PS3CE]
You still there ?
[PS3C8]
Yes I 'm here John . You all right ?
[PS3CE]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C8]
Good good good good .
[PS3CE]
Right .
[PS3C8]
I keep hearing funny noises
[PS3CE]
Yes I do .
[PS3C8]
Yes .
[PS3CE]
Must be Halloween or
[PS3C8]
Yeah .
[PS3CE]
supposed to be
[PS3C8]
Let me get that right again John you said you keep hearing funny noises . Yeah .
[PS3CE]
[UNCLEAR] that you silly
[PS3C8]
Ooh !
[PS3CE]
I [UNCLEAR] lie in here .
[PS3C8]
I do n't know I do n't know you should 've
[PS3CE]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS3C8]
Have you got your hands sort of tied up behind you in that sort of coat thing ?
[PS3CE]
I have n't got anything .
[PS3C8]
Have n't you I have .
[PS3CE]
Oh right .
[PS3C8]
All right .
[PS3CE]
Have we stopped playing er are we are we serious now ?
[PS3C8]
Are you serious ?
[PS3CE]
Yeah .
[PS3C8]
Good that 's all it needs is one of us to be serious and we 're okay .
[PS3CE]
Right .
[PS3C8]
John .
[PS3CE]
Hallow
[PS3C8]
You 're on the air yeah .
[PS3CE]
Yes Halloween . Right you were talking about its affect on children
[PS3C8]
Mm .
[PS3CE]
and er I 've discussed this before and I 've come to the conclusion that these children who come along with Jehovah 's Witnesses knocking on your door they 're more affected than any child once a year practising whatever you like to call it Halloween or whatever . That was basically my argument .
[PS3C8]
So excuse me for being a little thick .
[PS3CE]
Yes .
[PS3C8]
I did n't I what what d' ya mean ?
[PS3CE]
Well when the Jehovah 's and the other religious cults come knocking at the door with their various pamphlet and trying to persuade you that their religion is better than others
[PS3C8]
Yeah .
[PS3CE]
they have these very young children with them
[PS3C8]
Yeah .
[PS3CE]
and er I think they 're more affected by outside influences brainwash whatever you like to call it than one night a year of Halloween .
[PS3C8]
Yeah well okay er possibly but er I think you 're missing the point actually . I mean Halloween is it 's a pagan ritual it 's there to worship the devil it 's the most poignant date in the calendar if you want to get into black magic if you want to dance naked round er a sheep 's heart with sticks stuck through it .
[PS3CE]
Hey hey I say all these kids are doing is walking round with a bloody turnip with a candle in it . They 're not learning about religion where they do n't believe in blood transfusions etcetera etcetera seven or eight year old .
[PS3C8]
Yes but I think you know you have to give
[PS3CE]
Go on .
[PS3C8]
You have to give a little bit of er credibility there for people not being quite that dim do n't you ?
[PS3CE]
Not quite that dim ?
[PS3C8]
Well I mean we we 're not really er . If Jehovah 's Witnesses come to the door
[PS3CE]
Yes .
[PS3C8]
you know what it 's all about . Okay ? You either let them in for two reasons . You let them in to have a laugh at them or you let them in because you want to listen to what they 're saying . Okay ?
[PS3CE]
Yes .
[PS3C8]
You can not put that together with Halloween which basically is people going out thinking they 're going out to have fun and they 're having a bit of a laugh and everything else where 's there 's their underlying er connection with the devil .
[PS3CE]
I do n't think children realize it is a connection with the devil
[PS3C8]
But is n't is n't that the most dangerous thing ?
[PS3CE]
No no I think [UNCLEAR] the consistent and persistent influence in the children which some of these religious cults have I think that 's more dangerous than one one two nights of a candle in a in a turnip or whatever .
[PS3C8]
Yes but could they not be brainwashed if you like into thinking well there 's nothing much wrong there is n't such a thing as evil
[PS3CE]
No no .
[PS3C8]
You do n't think so ?
[PS3CE]
[UNCLEAR] evil is n't there ?
[PS3C8]
Well of course there 's evil yeah .
[PS3CE]
And I think [UNCLEAR] pretend there is n't evil .
[PS3C8]
Okay thank you for your call John .
[PS3CE]
Okay .
[PS3C8]
You enjoyed that did n't you ? Be honest .
[PS3CE]
Well
[PS3C8]
Yeah be honest you enjoyed it .
[PS3CE]
[UNCLEAR] interesting talking to er
[PS3C8]
A nut case I know exactly how you feel .
[PS3CE]
Different opinions .
[PS3C8]
Thank you John .
[PS3CE]
Okay bye bye .
[PS3C8]
Bye bye . Er right thank you John . Erm [UNCLEAR] go back up here . Now we 've got Sir Frederick erm I ca n't see the Sir Frederick Lawton retired senior judge on the phone . Sir Frederick good erm afternoon to you .
[PS3CF]
Good afternoon .
[PS3C8]
Er we really wanted to know what your view on erm Sir Nicholas Fairburn 's outburst both in the Commons I suppose and er reported the outburst of his wife on the front page of the Daily Mirror today .
[PS3CF]
Well I have n't seen that outburst but er I understand that he suggested
[PS3C8]
Could I read it to you ?
[PS3CF]
Yes please .
[PS3C8]
Sor let me read . First of all the headline says , Women deserve rape says M P's wife , and then the front page exclusive , Many women deserve to be raped a Tory M P's wife said yesterday . Sir Nicholas Fairburn 's wife Sam backed her husband 's astonishing views that there is no such crime as rape .
[PS3CF]
Well that 's absolute rubbish . I 've had I think more experience of what a rape in court than Sir Nicholas . He may have had more experience outside court than I have because I 've had none . But in court I have probably dealt with more rape cases than any other living lawyer . And my experience has been that virtually all rape cases have been the forcible interference with a woman .
[PS3C8]
So why do you think Sir Nicholas and his wife have both come out and said something as ridiculous as this ? They also go on to say that a lot of women deserve to be raped .
[PS3CF]
Well that again is nonsense . There is unfortunately a theory around which is of long standing to that effect . I presided over a the Criminal Law Revision Committee when we reviewed the law relating to rape and we discovered that there was this myth that women asked for rape . It is a myth .
[PS3C8]
Why in in that case do you think that Sir Nicholas and he he he 's not stupid , I mean he 's a career politician , he 's come out and said this his wife has said that they 're both smiling on the front page of the newspaper at the moment and they go on to say it 's not fair on a man if a women undresses and then changes her mind .
[PS3CF]
Well that may it may be unfair and until recently that kind of situation never came before the courts . There has unfortunately in my opinion been a change of attitude about which cases to prosecute
[PS3C8]
Mm .
[PS3CF]
and in some of these cases there ought not to be a prosecution . But that does n't mean that the ordinary case is one in which the woman is in any way asking to be raped .
[PS3C8]
Now Sir Frederick , recently the police have made great strides forward in encouraging women to come and report rape because until recently they did n't and they did n't want to they did n't want to face the shame and they did n't want to face everything else , Sir Nicholas and and again his wife which is the most worrying I think of this a women saying that that that women deserve to be raped , erm it 's going to make women less likely to come forward is n't it ?
[PS3CF]
Well i I agree . But again I think it has been unfortunate er er that recently there have been a few cases in which it would have been better not to prosecute
[PS3C8]
Mhm .
[PS3CF]
but they are a minority of cases . In most cases that I 've dealt with and I 've f I repeat I 've probably dealt with more than any other living person in court , er there has been a clear case of rape .
[PS3C8]
Could I move on from that Sir Frederick just to ask you whilst you 're on the phone your views on er the story in the Daily Mail today . Er Judge Ian [UNCLEAR] I 'm sure you 'll be familiar with him he is the judge who
[PS3CF]
I I know him personally .
[PS3C8]
Right . Er he said or he 's in a in a in a little trouble today for allowing two men who had sex of thirteen to go free erm a policeman told the judge that the thirteen year old was more like Mandy Smith than the proverbial school girl with pigtails but she was nevertheless thirteen and the judge said he had better not say she was no angel or the national press would have a hundred field days with him . Is there not some call on judges to be just a little a a little more respectful perhaps when they 're they 're dealing with cases like this rather than as flippant as he
[PS3CF]
Well I I agree about that . I think that er Judge er [UNCLEAR] 's remarks were a little unfortunate er but er he 's now ret nearing retirement and occasionally all of us , I 've done it myself
[PS3C8]
Mm .
[PS3CF]
in the past , make remarks which I regret . Er but the basis of what he had to say is [UNCLEAR] presents a problem which do face judges in the class of case . Er unfortunately one has cases from time to time on girls of this age who set out to entice men . Er it 's unfortunate that they should but when the men succumb to their er approaches then it 's always a very difficult
[PS3C8]
Mm .
[PS3CF]
problem as to what to do about it .
[PS3C8]
Well the men although they may not have realized they were thirteen must have been pretty stupid not to realize they were perhaps below consent age .
[PS3CF]
Oh yes well I agree about that . But a great deal depends on the circumstances . I have experience of this class of case over a period of more than fifty years and it has n't been uncommon in the past even in the days when judges took a more rigorous view than they cline er inclined to do nowadays not to punish er in any with a custodial
[PS3C8]
Mm .
[PS3CF]
sentence as men youngish men not older men youngish men who behave in this way .
[PS3C8]
Now Judge [UNCLEAR] as you you said you know er and erm Sir Frederick I know you 're retired now , he 's seventy one do you think there should be a mandatory retirement age for judges perhaps . That maybe they get to a certain time when they 're going to be out of touch ?
[PS3CF]
[UNCLEAR] has it that it should be seventy from the future .
[PS3C8]
Mm .
[PS3CF]
It all depends on the judge . I mean I remember judges who were were er much younger than seventy who were beyond it . On the other hand I remember judges who were over seventy five . The most outstanding judge in my lifetime has been Lord Reed . Er he does he does n't figure very much in the tabloids
[PS3C8]
Yeah .
[PS3CF]
because
[HUVPSUNK]
[PS3CF]
he he was so good that he never annoyed anybody by silly remarks . But he was well over eighty when he retired .
[PS3C8]
Do you think we should have slightly younger judges . I mean there is the move to make people judges earlier than they have been recently ?
[PS3CF]
Well it depends upon what you mean by early . As Lord er the Lord Chief Justice said in a television programme Question Time er two nights ago it takes a good deal of experience before somebody 's qualified to be a judge and when you do become a judge you have a great deal to learn . You know there was an old legal story er saying rather er that er in the first five years that a a j a man is appointed a judge he does n't know the job . In the next five years he thinks he does but does n't . And in the last five years he 's too old to do it .
[PS3C8]
That 's worrying . I do n't want to appear in front a judge in his first five years then .
[PS3CF]
But that that 's the problem that we all have This is one of the problems that the ju burdens that the judge has to bear .
[PS3C8]
Did you in your time ever send a man to execution ?
[PS3CF]
No I I only tried three capital murder cases and all three they got acquitted .
[PS3C8]
Were you were you glad about that ?
[PS3CF]
In two of them I was .
[PS3C8]
Sir Frederick thank you for er speaking to me this afternoon .
[PS3CF]
Thank you .
[PS3C8]
Interesting talking to you bye bye
[PS3CF]
Good bye .
[PS3C8]
Okay er we move on over six seven minutes to go before the end of the programme . Let's talk to er Steve erm where are hang on just one moment whilst I find you . Hello Steve ?
[PS3CG]
Hello James
[PS3C8]
Hi .
[PS3CG]
Hello . Just er one final comment about this Halloween . Really with very few exceptions it 's simply a bit of harmless fun . I mean let's face it
[PS3C8]
That 's always the worse thing is n't it whe the the most annoying this when it 's harmless fun .
[PS3CG]
Er yeah .
[PS3C8]
Come into my parlour said the spider to the fly .
[PS3CG]
Horror films . What 's your comment about those ? I mean
[PS3C8]
Do you believe in devil ?
[PS3CG]
Television
[PS3C8]
Do you believe in the devil ?
[PS3CG]
on children than any other media .
[PS3C8]
I agree Steve I agree . Do you believe in the devil though ? Do you believe that Halloween has any kind of place with the devil or not ?
[PS3CG]
No .
[PS3C8]
You do n't .
[PS3CG]
I do n't .
[PS3C8]
Er then there is nothing I can say to change your mind . I mean you will you will go on merrily your own sweet way and erm I I hope nothing happens to sort of
[PS3CG]
I mean we we we do n't er we do n't dance on sheep 's hearts here in Gate Helmsley .
[PS3C8]
Well I do n't know because North Yorkshire 's pretty sort of erm er pretty rife as far as black magic is concerned .
[PS3CG]
Well you
[PS3C8]
And d' ya know I I 'm beginning to think you sort of protest so much that maybe you 're a leader of a coven or something .
[PS3CG]
Erm
[PS3C8]
Put on the old sheep 's head and dance naked round the bonfire .
[PS3CG]
Is that right ? Well no I 'm not no I 'm not . It 's just that I mean this is the only thing about Halloween that I do n't like is the import from America of this trick or treat nonsense .
[PS3C8]
Yep .
[PS3CG]
I do n't like that one bit . But leave that to one side
[PS3C8]
But that 's only because it 's an American idea that 's the only reason you do n't like it
[PS3CG]
No no I I do n't I do n't like it er it er no I simply do n't like it . I ca n't really tell you why it 's just I do n't like the [UNCLEAR] do n't like the idea of children going round er begging for treats , treats money whatever it might be .
[PS3C8]
Yes I agree with you there .
[PS3CG]
But I really to believe that Halloween does has no real influence . There are always exceptions you know to the rule .
[PS3C8]
Okay Steve thank you for your call . You think it has no problem and er we 'll squeeze in one more call before the end of the programme . And that 's Christine [UNCLEAR] from Harrogate hello Christine . Hello Christine speak to me .
[HUVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] turn the radio off
[PS3C8]
You what ? You 've got to turn the radio off . Have you turned the radio off ? Come back to the phone Christine . Hello Christine .
[HUVPSUNK]
Hello .
[PS3C8]
Hi .
[HUVPSUNK]
Hello .
[PS3C8]
Hello .
[HUVPSUNK]
Erm I 'm [UNCLEAR] with you on this trick and er treat thing . Now I 've heard people
[PS3C8]
No you 're not I 'm not going trick or treating .
[HUVPSUNK]
say that they do this so they can get money for fireworks for Guy Fawkes night .
[PS3C8]
Have you heard people say that ?
[HUVPSUNK]
He 's not answering .
[PS3C8]
I am I do n't know what there 's a cut on this . What 's where where 's where 's the where 's the cut off come on this flipping phone ?
[HUVPSUNK]
No it is n't
[PS3C8]
It i hang on I can hear you . Hello can you hear ?
[HUVPSUNK]
Yes .
[PS3C8]
Is that better ?
[HUVPSUNK]
Yeah .
[PS3C8]
Okay right off you go .
[HUVPSUNK]
I well I agree with you on this er trick or treat . Erm people say they come round they come round with their children
[PS3C8]
Mm .
[HUVPSUNK]
er mothers to g they say what they do n't want treats as in sweets they want money to buy fireworks
[PS3C8]
And he fixed it
[HUVPSUNK]
to buy fireworks for bonfire night .
[PS3C8]
Yeah .
[HUVPSUNK]
And I disagree that they should . It 's begging .
[PS3C8]
You think it 's begging .
[HUVPSUNK]
Yes .
[PS3C8]
Yeah . Er I well I agree but I mean parents seem to be quite keen for their er their children to out and do it .
[HUVPSUNK]
Yes erm but it is begging and it is it is pagan .
[PS3C8]
Yeah . So you wo n't be letting yours out ?
[HUVPSUNK]
No .
[PS3C8]
Okay .
[HUVPSUNK]
No .
[PS3C8]
Okay Christine thank you for your call . Bye bye
[HUVPSUNK]
Bye .
[PS3C8]
Erm I do n't know whether we had gremlins in there or er or not in the end I really could n't decide actually to be honest . Taking us to the news at two a little music for you and er hopefully I shall return next Saturday at twelve o'clock . Until then from all of us here on the Whales Show on B B C Radio York a very good afternoon to you . Bye bye . Oh did we play this we did did n't we . I did n't mean to play that at all . I think we played this one too . Did we play this one ? No we did n't play this one did we ? Cos the trouble with C Ds you see you ca n't see them going round you do n't know which one you finished with .