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[1376]

Afternoon, Doug, /it certainly is, {F uh, } going to be a pleasure to chat with you. /

[1402]

Uh-huh. /

[1376]

{C And } I'm, {F uh, } certainly was surprised [ to, + {F uh, } to ] hear from you. /Normally I talk to people in Plano, Texas. /

[1402]

Yeah, /me too. /

[1376]

How did you get on this list? /

[1402]

{F Uh, } through Nancy Dahlgren. /[ She, + {F um, } she ] had somehow gotten the information from T I --

[1376]

{D Well, } okay. /

[1402]

-- and was distributing it around. /

[1376]

All right. /{D Well, } {D now, } what would you say about these everyday invasions of our privacy? /What ideas do you have on that, Doug? /

[1402]

{F Um, } {D see, } I'm not sure that, - /I don't think they're necessarily widespread in this country, /{C but } I think that the opportunity is definitely there for, {F um, } people to invade your privacy when they want to, /I think it's, {F um, } -/

[1376]

In what manner? /

[1402]

{D Well, } it's certainly not that difficult to tap a phone. /It's completely trivial to, for instance, listen in on someone's car phone or walk around phone, since they're just radio signals. /

[1376]

Uh-huh. /

[1402]

It's, {F um, } - /{C and } let's see, /{D well, } what's the first thing that comes to your mind? /

[1376]

{D Well, } the thing that I thought they were, {F uh, } concerned about [ was, + was ] people calling on the phone from all over the country to sell you something -- /

[1402]

Uh-huh. /

[1376]

-- {C and } in reality in many cases, they knew, or they had information about you that was purchased from some other organizations. /{C And } I thought was, {F uh, } beginning to invade the privacy of people, because the things about where you live [ and, + and ] maybe what you purchased in past months is then put down and sent to someone else in the same business, /{C and } they in return, come back and try to sell you something with this additional knowledge. /To me that's an invasion of privacy. /

[1402]

Yeah, /I agree with you there, for sure. /{F Um, } {C and } I think that all that information is quite easy for anyone to get. /It's possible for almost anyone to get information about your credit history, for instance, if they just, {F um, } twist the right arm or claim to be from the right organization when they're calling the credit company. /

[1376]

Uh-huh. /

[1402]

It's, {D you know, } possible for a thirteen year old hacker with a modem to find out almost anything about your personal history, not to mention, change it if he wants to. /

[1376]

You mean your history in regards to, {F uh } --

[1402]

{D Well, } {F um. } -/

[1376]

-- the charge card company or something like that? /

[1402]

{D Well, } yes, /{D well, } for instance, yes, {F um, } /{C and } they'll probably goes into other things, like, {D you know, } your records with the government or utility companies or anything. /

[1376]

Do you consider these serious, {F uh, } problems? /

[1402]

{F Um, } {F uh, } [ not, + not ] yet anyways, because I don't think they're widespread enough, /{C but } I think they have the potential of becoming serious problems. /

[1376]

Uh-huh. /{D Well, } what should we do about it, /{C or } what could be done about it, do you think --

[1402]

{F Um } --

[1376]

-- to correct it? /

[1402]

-- I'm not really sure, because the, {E I mean } society is going more and more electronic, /{C and } there are certainly benefits to its doing so, /{C and } it's [ hard to, + hard to ] say whether the, {F um, } risks have potential of outweighing the benefits or not, /{C and } I'm not sure what can be done to ensure that they don't. /(( )) Why, /do you see any out for us? /

[1376]

{D Well, } I would think that, {F uh, } information held on records, {F uh, } by any company or charge card dealer or person should be absolutely private [ and, + and ] not be allowed to be, {F uh, } [ to, + ] given out by those companies. /

[1402]

Uh-huh. /

[1376]

{E I mean, } it should be made [ a, + a, ] {F uh, } national or a state law to protect people so that, {F uh, } you would then feel more free to deal direct with these companies. /

[1402]

Uh-huh. /

[1376]

In other words, if you call the company yourself, directly, {F uh, } and then know that what you tell them will be on their records but will not be available to anyone else, {F uh, } {D you know, } from the outside, so to speak --

[1402]

Uh-huh. /

[1376]

-- then [ you would, + you would ] feel more free [ to, + {F uh, } to ] go into detail with them -- /

[1402]

Yeah, /I. -/

[1376]

-- [ {C but, } + {C but } ] we have no control of that now -- /

[1402]

Uh-huh. /