[JSVPSUNK]
cos he 's coming down
WMN: JSV_45
Dialogue: JSV
[JSVPSUNK]
Are you doing it as well .
[JSVPSUNK]
Yeah
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
You other people and you 've obviously got time to start preparing your thoughts .
[JSVPSUNK]
Yes .
[PS4RK]
Alright .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] take [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
Well know it 's it 's there all the time . We were just carrying on .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
Right [UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
So what I did with you last week [UNCLEAR]
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[JSVPSUNK]
I said erm but [UNCLEAR] It is a good start really , [UNCLEAR] someone else [UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
Sh .
[PS4RK]
Can you say that again ?
[PS4RL]
[UNCLEAR] Tony he pretends to be someone else in [UNCLEAR] this [UNCLEAR] and er more [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] alright .
[PS4RL]
Yeah . [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
Alright .
[PS4RL]
More [UNCLEAR] Solomon [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
Solomons .
[PS4RL]
Solomons yeah . [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
Is that [UNCLEAR] chap as well .
[PS4RL]
[UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
And and what is the point of disguising [UNCLEAR] disguise ?
[PS4RL]
Well it means just taking apart .
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] in terms of any length , what 's it doing to the plot for a start .
[PS4RL]
Well when Tony pretends it sort of gets the ball rolling .
[PS4RK]
So it 's a kind of plot
[PS4RL]
Yeah .
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] . You 've got [UNCLEAR] have n't you ?
[PS4RL]
Yeah .
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RL]
[UNCLEAR] . erm why Marlowe and he thinks that the family and servants
[PS4RK]
So [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RL]
Yes [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] . Not making [UNCLEAR] really . I suppose it 's the set up [UNCLEAR] . O K that 's fairly basic stuff [UNCLEAR] you 've got people [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RL]
Relationships .
[PS4RK]
You 've got relationships , yes . Alison [UNCLEAR] say about previous ideas , what 's that . You 're quite sure .
[PS4RL]
You 've got unknown disguises
[PS4RK]
How do you mean unknown disguises ?
[PS4RL]
Well Marlowe does n't know who Mister Hardcastle is and does n't know who Miss Hardcastle is [UNCLEAR]
[PS4RK]
Right . So he is the victim ?
[PS4RL]
Yeah .
[PS4RK]
Is he ?
[PS4RL]
He 's unaware of everything that 's going on .
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] is that right , what 's Marlowe 's role in all of this
[JSVPSUNK]
.
[PS4RM]
Well it 's just like that the joke kinda on him because he 's erm , he 's the one they 're all concealing the identity of the house
[PS4RK]
Even his best friend ?
[PS4RM]
Yeah and erm yeah , he 's [UNCLEAR] keep up the joke .
[PS4RK]
Right .
[PS4RM]
They do n't want it to interfere with their plans
[PS4RK]
Erm does this question diary [UNCLEAR] it all ? [UNCLEAR] he look like [ANONYMIZATION] .
[PS4RM]
Because erm it 's all the plot can be seen by the audience . It 's not exactly what 's gon na happen in the plot we all know what happens it 's like how it will happen
[PS4RK]
romantic outcome or what
[PS4RM]
Erm well we all know what 's going to happen and they sort of give an idea of the plot but it 's only Marlowe who does n't know . so we know more than the characters do
[PS4RK]
Yes , or that character does
[PS4RM]
Yeah .
[PS4RK]
So we 're all in kind of conspiracy and everyone else except Marlowe is that right ?
[PS4RM]
Yes .
[PS4RK]
Marlowe perhaps figures in other ways as well does n't he ?
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RM]
I er it 's just that we , all of us are on different pages .
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RM]
Oh yeah .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RM]
It 's more emotional [UNCLEAR] . It 's not really erm intentional this guy [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
Yes she puts it on .
[PS4RM]
Well it 's sort of
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RM]
she finds it [UNCLEAR] easier to talk to [UNCLEAR] come out with it . [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
Yes . It 's not deliberate though is it ?
[PS4RM]
No , it 's just that erm he feels comfortable and does n't have to put on a show
[PS4RK]
O K.
[PS4RM]
more erm abrupt more familiar side of him coming out
[PS4RK]
Is n't that a little bit pathetic ?
[PS4RM]
Yeah .
[PS4RK]
He can only be himself with a female inferior .
[JSVPSUNK]
.
[PS4RM]
No we ought to [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
[JSVPSUNK]
.
[PS4RK]
No like that 's not it to go with their mates [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
I suppose that 's true . There 's all [UNCLEAR] being themselves . You just said that Englishmen prefer being with other men .
[JSVPSUNK]
.
[JSVPSUNK]
I suppose it can be the same I think it 's just a bit more extreme like the characteristic he shows when he 's in female company like erm just like going over the top the way he acts
[JSVPSUNK]
.
[PS4RK]
So there is n't any truth [UNCLEAR] all of this
[JSVPSUNK]
Yeah .
[PS4RK]
O K so if any of you could make [UNCLEAR] because it 's one more interesting psychological ploys in the play , there are n't very many of them are there ? [UNCLEAR] comedy I suppose I 'll play [UNCLEAR] behaviour . Willis [UNCLEAR] erm [UNCLEAR] something to that class [UNCLEAR] is n't it and and what you have classed as having more mileage [UNCLEAR] . Francesca what do you think ?
[PS4RN]
No [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
Whatever [UNCLEAR] . Lots of [UNCLEAR] concerning [UNCLEAR]
[PS4RN]
It 's really exag it 's really exaggerated , they really make erm , I can make all the country folk showed as real louts most of [UNCLEAR] the people in the pub Tony and then the servants are really stupid and then
[PS4RK]
They 're not real butlers they 're being trained
[PS4RN]
Yeah , they 're just like farmhands
[PS4RK]
Yeah [UNCLEAR] well I 've got to be erm
[PS4RN]
But even like erm Mr and Mrs [ANONYMIZATION] , like they come over as just comic figures really . Because Mrs [ANONYMIZATION] like erm sort of assumes herself to be really fashionable by the things that [UNCLEAR] like up with the fashions or anything and then Mr [ANONYMIZATION] [UNCLEAR] self important [UNCLEAR] stories of the War [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
Yes .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] disguise [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
I was going to actually ask the same question . Erm you [UNCLEAR] have n't you ?
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] believe in [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
Self delusion . [UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] what I said [UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
What about erm , we have n't read any [UNCLEAR] today , have we ? Erm there 's a coach ride .
[JSVPSUNK]
Oh yeah and it is totally [UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
Yeah .
[JSVPSUNK]
She does n't recognise the
[PS4RK]
Yes .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] Mrs [ANONYMIZATION] [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
This is when disbelief actually suspended [UNCLEAR] later . Do you see the performance of it ?
[JSVPSUNK]
Yeah .
[PS4RK]
Does that get round the problem ?
[JSVPSUNK]
What [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
Mm .
[JSVPSUNK]
Well I suppose it was a bit far fetched . I do n't like the [UNCLEAR] and everything [UNCLEAR] . People were coming in and out the shadows , like telling his mum to cuddle up to [UNCLEAR] to go [UNCLEAR] everything . That was a bit far fetched I suppose but erm you wo n't be looking at it for [UNCLEAR] it is believable or not [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
It was just quite funny .
[PS4RK]
So it 's dramatic inventions [ANONYMIZATION]
[PS4RS]
Yeah [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
I think so , that feeling for [UNCLEAR] highwayman . Erm have people coming on and off stage when they want [UNCLEAR] sides . [UNCLEAR] I think . What you 've got to do then is to relate erm , this particular topic to , shall we say themes , and techniques in the play itself . and also this happened in Shakespeare 's plays too . Erm what it reveals of people psychologically , if anything . It is not a very profound play Francesca , anything else you wanted to throw in that we 've not included here ?
[PS4RN]
Erm [UNCLEAR]
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] that 's not all .
[PS4RN]
could you do the servants [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
You mean the serving men
[PS4RN]
Yeah . They were sort of were n't they .
[PS4RK]
In what [UNCLEAR]
[JSVPSUNK]
.
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RN]
No they 've sort of working on the farm
[PS4RK]
They 're just labourers .
[PS4RN]
Yeah .
[PS4RK]
Erm because in fact quite funny seeing they 're all being [UNCLEAR] er to laugh [UNCLEAR] erm see what [UNCLEAR] servants in . That links up as farce again , does n't it ?
[PS4RN]
Mm .
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] and dramatic erm action
[PS4RN]
And erm what Mrs [ANONYMIZATION] [UNCLEAR] and what it actually [UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
Yeah I see [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
Kate Hardcastle and Tony .
[JSVPSUNK]
No Mrs [ANONYMIZATION] .
[PS4RK]
Oh right .
[PS4RN]
But I do n't [UNCLEAR] disguise .
[PS4RK]
What about the two pairs of children . What about Mr [ANONYMIZATION] and Kate ?
[PS4RN]
She seems fairly true to [UNCLEAR] her father sees this through her [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
Perfection .
[PS4RN]
Yeah , but she 's more settled in . No , yeah .
[PS4RK]
Well sh
[PS4RN]
She 's not really better is she ?
[PS4RK]
Yeah well she does actually erm say to everyone in a rather creepy way that [UNCLEAR] require [UNCLEAR] do does n't she ? Help him to quote
[PS4RN]
[UNCLEAR] it 's more obvious to the audience how , like , Tony 's just after what he can get sort of thing .
[PS4RK]
Complete write off .
[PS4RN]
Yeah .
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] parents with their siblings that [UNCLEAR]
[JSVPSUNK]
How will that be described though ?
[PS4RN]
Yeah .
[PS4RK]
Well he 's [UNCLEAR] that [UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
[PS4RN]
Yeah but it 's what she 's perceiving really is n't it ?
[JSVPSUNK]
Yeah .
[PS4RN]
What she 's deluding herself to think
[PS4RK]
Did n't he help with that illusion ?
[PS4RN]
Not really .
[JSVPSUNK]
I do n't think he really tries to hide the fact that he 's like
[PS4RK]
that he steals her money .
[PS4RN]
Yeah
[PS4RK]
to go down to the pub
[PS4RN]
Yeah he does n't really try to impress her he makes things worse I think
[PS4RK]
O K so she 's a doting mother , is that right ? [UNCLEAR] what [UNCLEAR] want . Erm I still want to bring Kate and her father as well I think cos he 's looking at [UNCLEAR] some people , is n't he ? Know what I mean ?
[JSVPSUNK]
Mm .
[JSVPSUNK]
That should be [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] agree . Well it 's your essay not mine but
[JSVPSUNK]
.
[PS4RN]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
Erm what about when Mrs Hardcastle does n't want to give up the jewels .
[JSVPSUNK]
Yes [UNCLEAR] he 's rude [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
She conceals Tony 's age cos he 's really twenty one
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] . Just those [UNCLEAR] keep like the jewels in their family [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] . That would do nicely , would n't it ? Erm , she also lies about er
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] thing lost .
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] in the windows discarded . [UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
Mm .
[PS4RK]
That was seen [UNCLEAR] . [UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
Only about Miss [ANONYMIZATION] and Hastings .
[JSVPSUNK]
Yeah .
[JSVPSUNK]
Have you read , have you looked in that ?
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] mention that [UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
Well I think [UNCLEAR] not so much [UNCLEAR] about [UNCLEAR] when Hastings was there . Miss [ANONYMIZATION] and Tony you have to kinda pretend that they do like each other so that erm the mother does n't suspect her of liking Hastings .
[JSVPSUNK]
Mm .
[PS4RK]
So that 's more , shall we say , purposeful , disguising her feelings . [UNCLEAR] more cunning stuff going on here as well . Is that right ?
[JSVPSUNK]
Mm . yeah .
[PS4RK]
Would you say much more farcical [UNCLEAR]
[JSVPSUNK]
Yeah .
[PS4RK]
theatrical .
[PS4RN]
Yeah and Hastings and the [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
Yes and those two are the least kind of losing [UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
Mm .
[PS4RK]
This is the essay you are actually going to write .
[JSVPSUNK]
Yeah . [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
maybe
[JSVPSUNK]
maybe not sure but you 're not certain
[PS4RK]
No , well we 've done a little bit . There 's obviously not very much here but I mean
[JSVPSUNK]
Would you [UNCLEAR] themes [UNCLEAR] ?
[PS4RK]
Would I write ?
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] take [UNCLEAR] take [UNCLEAR] emotional [UNCLEAR] and discuss it [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
Alright so you are going to judge the characters of the
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
I would n't think I 'd discuss it under functions really
[JSVPSUNK]
.
[PS4RK]
See perhaps I 'd like to [UNCLEAR] more section [UNCLEAR] to . What the disguise is doing . Whether it 's just a plot
[JSVPSUNK]
Mm .
[PS4RK]
erm device or whether it 's telling us something about human beings .
[JSVPSUNK]
.
[PS4RK]
It would be up to you really to [UNCLEAR] common purposes . Well that 's a start is n't it ? Shall we move that one round ? [UNCLEAR] girls [UNCLEAR] please . Round yourselves up . [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR]
[JSVPSUNK]
.
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
What 's the actual title
[JSVPSUNK]
She stoops to conquer and discuss the ways in which women are portrayed in the play .
[PS4RK]
Portrayed [UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
O K then .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] to Miss [ANONYMIZATION] came [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
So Miss [ANONYMIZATION] pays with compliments . That 's clear Miss [ANONYMIZATION] is [UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
Oh I 'm sorry . Er
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] anyway [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
But you could mention these [UNCLEAR] er women that Mrs [ANONYMIZATION] talks about [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] Mrs [ANONYMIZATION] and all these other kind of er interesting offstage characters . Erm when there 's people [UNCLEAR] every minute he goes , is that [ANONYMIZATION] makes out .
[JSVPSUNK]
No .
[JSVPSUNK]
Mrs [ANONYMIZATION] mentions that when she 's talking about sophisticated London
[PS4RK]
Her friends .
[JSVPSUNK]
They visit London but she does n't
[PS4RK]
Alright fine you might if you 're desperate mention that [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RP]
You could say that erm Mrs [ANONYMIZATION] likes it with [UNCLEAR] the local [UNCLEAR] . You know [UNCLEAR] in love with him .
[PS4RK]
Yes and at the end of the play as well .
[PS4RP]
Yeah .
[PS4RK]
Erm what you have to avoid is just divide into three ? Do you agree with [ANONYMIZATION] that would be rather dull she did that . It would be rather dull .
[PS4RP]
[UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] plans .
[PS4RK]
Oh well if you really want to you can . It you just look very very well [UNCLEAR]
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RP]
[UNCLEAR] trip and if you 're not going to divide it into three .
[PS4RK]
Well as Dennis was implying , erm you 're really looking say at the low comedy . [UNCLEAR] Mrs [ANONYMIZATION] came to [UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
put into themes
[PS4RK]
Well that will seem to me to be a bit more [UNCLEAR] but obviously it 's up to you but it may not quite work out as neatly as [UNCLEAR] erm [UNCLEAR] but you may well like to think about the role of women as perceived , the way they treat men and relationships . So you could do more under that heading could n't you ?
[JSVPSUNK]
portrayal of women
[PS4RK]
Yes but like the [ANONYMIZATION] are just planning to [UNCLEAR] affection [UNCLEAR] based on mutual whatever it is
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] they base [UNCLEAR] Mrs [ANONYMIZATION] as the villain of the peace .
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR]
[JSVPSUNK]
Yeah I thought that [UNCLEAR] about it
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
she just seemed kind of old fashioned .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] to say that erm [UNCLEAR] erm [UNCLEAR] they are saying that erm she 's most funny and things like that and she 's got great depth .
[JSVPSUNK]
great depth
[PS4RK]
So th the [UNCLEAR] comes on a bit heavy at times does n't it ?
[JSVPSUNK]
Yeah .
[PS4RK]
And makes a great meal of that material . She 's a villain of the peace . Well I think you need to go look at [UNCLEAR] that .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
Erm er we 'll look it up sometime [UNCLEAR] erm [UNCLEAR] affection with Tony .
[JSVPSUNK]
Yeah , [UNCLEAR] ? .
[PS4RK]
which makes her a villain
[JSVPSUNK]
no makes her not as bad
[PS4RK]
oh
[JSVPSUNK]
First of all they said she was the villain . Then they went on to say why she [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
She keeps repeating [UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
Well because she wants the jewels that 's why she 's she 's sort of like er
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
She 's only interest [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
She she 's obscuring the truth a bit is n't she ?
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] totally within [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
and that 's the name .
[JSVPSUNK]
.
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
and her [UNCLEAR] as well .
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] she 's famous
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
Oh I see , yes and she wants to go to make out that she 's er [UNCLEAR] whatever age she is .
[JSVPSUNK]
Yeah , yeah .
[JSVPSUNK]
and she wants to get Tony and Constance together
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] really [UNCLEAR] really that good .
[PS4RK]
Makes her . Yes she 's [UNCLEAR] is n't she ?
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] she comes out of the bush and says [UNCLEAR] she wants a highwayman to take her .
[PS4RK]
Is n't that rather heroic ?
[JSVPSUNK]
Yeah .
[JSVPSUNK]
That 's it [UNCLEAR] in there [UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
There 's like two sides to it .
[PS4RK]
I think you 're all being a bit heavy with all of this [UNCLEAR] as treating her like a George Eliot heroine . Erm [UNCLEAR] she 's obviously got quite a lot of material for anybody to look at . Erm , what about the fact that she does want to er keep her looks and be fashionable then does n't she ? The girls to say [UNCLEAR] about women in particular .
[JSVPSUNK]
Does n't that sort of bring in [UNCLEAR] to the country and [UNCLEAR] she 's out in the country and she wants to show it to them that she she 's sort of she 's still fashionable [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
Yeah , she 's a [UNCLEAR] . [UNCLEAR] . Erm [UNCLEAR] suggest that [UNCLEAR] appear fashionable .
[PS4RK]
You 'll find the equivalent [UNCLEAR] as well .
[JSVPSUNK]
I thought [UNCLEAR] just [UNCLEAR] we can see that she 's quite an extremist just [UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
.
[PS4RK]
You want to discuss caricature do n't you
[JSVPSUNK]
Well I do n't think it 's just the real [UNCLEAR] in fashion [UNCLEAR] what they 're gon na wear [UNCLEAR] it 's only really Mr [ANONYMIZATION] that is not interested in it
[PS4RK]
This person that 's kind of bows and his bald head pops out of his wig or something .
[JSVPSUNK]
Yeah .
[PS4RK]
Alright
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
Erm .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] Mr [ANONYMIZATION] [UNCLEAR] Mrs [ANONYMIZATION] [UNCLEAR] different roles to Mr Hardcastle
[PS4RK]
Different role
[JSVPSUNK]
roles [UNCLEAR] like Mrs [ANONYMIZATION] is interested in fashion [UNCLEAR] he 's not and then [UNCLEAR] to say [UNCLEAR] to wear her housecoats and then erm [UNCLEAR] her [UNCLEAR] different to what [UNCLEAR]
[PS4RK]
Yeah she only wants [UNCLEAR]
[JSVPSUNK]
Erm [UNCLEAR] the subjects now then [UNCLEAR] to Mr [ANONYMIZATION]
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR]
[JSVPSUNK]
I think so .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] different values [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] . Erm different values . O K. It seems to me that [UNCLEAR] and just [UNCLEAR] looking at human nature [UNCLEAR] something [UNCLEAR] is that right ? And holding them up for a little bit of erm laughter . So Mrs [ANONYMIZATION] so far has been hogging the whole show , is that right ?
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] he 's [UNCLEAR] like Mrs [ANONYMIZATION] [UNCLEAR] cos they 've got power really over the men
[PS4RK]
the men
[JSVPSUNK]
Yeah
[JSVPSUNK]
Have they [UNCLEAR] when [ANONYMIZATION] says that he 's willing to pay for erm Mrs [ANONYMIZATION] [UNCLEAR] disguises the maid , he says he 's willing to pay for her services .
[PS4RK]
Yes . What 's the point you 're making there
[JSVPSUNK]
Like showing their view , really [UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
He 's degrading himself really because he needs to find out that she was [UNCLEAR]
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
yes , she 's really Mrs [ANONYMIZATION] . She 's the same person but he treats her
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Yes
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degrading him .
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I think so and that 's a fairly I mean it 's not gon na be heavy moral point here is it but while it shows up [ANONYMIZATION] [UNCLEAR] you can treat a woman as an object in this way do n't you think ?
[JSVPSUNK]
will we be able to bring that into the essay
[PS4RK]
Well if you want to [UNCLEAR] a woman as a sexual object [UNCLEAR] .
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[UNCLEAR] this letter from [UNCLEAR] erm that [UNCLEAR] it kind of shows up [UNCLEAR] .
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[UNCLEAR] .
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Well because [UNCLEAR] I [UNCLEAR] she 's the conqueror kind of [UNCLEAR]
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Yes
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[UNCLEAR] .
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she 's the butt of the jokes .
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Yeah and and if [UNCLEAR] and I also [UNCLEAR] what I was going to say how she she kind of is able to control erm [ANONYMIZATION] or bring out [UNCLEAR] because she 's [UNCLEAR] bring out both his sides but erm to her father wants to [UNCLEAR] sort of get rid of him , she 's able to erm [UNCLEAR] just erm act more charming and get them , you know , one line to prove them wrong .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] both sides of his character . She 's [UNCLEAR] his person , she [UNCLEAR] both . She 's not really , I do n't think she 's stupid cos she 's she decides to do it because she 's [UNCLEAR] again .
[PS4RK]
So she 's manipulating .
[JSVPSUNK]
Yeah she 's in control of the whole situation
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[UNCLEAR] . She 's power . [UNCLEAR] with her father as well .
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Yeah .
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I see O K that all sounds fine what about their comic roles . Have you discussed this I suppose we have . This kind of comic role . I mean putting on [UNCLEAR] .
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[UNCLEAR] .
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Yes , erm , Richard what about Constance ?
[PS4RP]
Well she 's like , really she 's just like a friend of Kate Hardcastle cos
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she 's a woman .
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Yeah .
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She has n't got any comedy in her , she 's quite serious it 's the home [UNCLEAR] her say in the prologue [UNCLEAR] different mentality .
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Yes .
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Her and Hastings .
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Yes .
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Her virtue is not virtue if she tumbles [UNCLEAR]
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You 're saying that erm Constance is the voice of what , high morals or really she 's
[JSVPSUNK]
Not really because she wants , does n't want to elope with him , she wants her jewels .
[PS4RK]
So she 's quite scheming and erm , would you say money grabbing character ?
[JSVPSUNK]
Erm [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR] .
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They are n't her jewels after all .
[JSVPSUNK]
Just shows you what her priorities are really rather than handsome man she 'd rather have her jewels .
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Well have the jewels as well as a handsome man .
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Yes .
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. [UNCLEAR] that 's a nice little comment on human nature , is n't it ? .
[JSVPSUNK]
But she 's she 's she does n't want it she did n't want the jewels did she but when she nearly had them .
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Yeah .
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Erm so if they [UNCLEAR] this kind of erm poking fun at previous [UNCLEAR] acquired affection . Erm discussing why Alexander [ANONYMIZATION] is , I think he has to be a bit harsh or satirical as erm . Erm [UNCLEAR] Constance [UNCLEAR] that she she 's simply a sentimental heroine .
[JSVPSUNK]
I think she 's quite powerful as well .
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Do you ?
[JSVPSUNK]
Because erm in her her differences in her erm behaviour towards Hastings towards Tony , like she 's she chases him off the stage [UNCLEAR] one point [UNCLEAR] Tony and then she [UNCLEAR] sort of turn round and be all charming sort of [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
Yeah , towards Hastings and that shows [UNCLEAR] they give their two descriptions of her and Tony 's [UNCLEAR] Hastings [UNCLEAR] they find have beautiful and they find her modest . That is what shows the two sides to her character .
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[UNCLEAR] two different men as well .
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[UNCLEAR] .
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That 's quite a nice point then is n't it ? She seems quite a complicated player in some ways
[JSVPSUNK]
mm
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There 's quite a lot to talk about is n't there ?
[JSVPSUNK]
We are still not sure how it 's erm [UNCLEAR] structural [UNCLEAR] .
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How to organise it . Yes we turn to you .
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[UNCLEAR] talk about [UNCLEAR] talk about comedy and all that [UNCLEAR] .
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Different levels of comedy is where they actually break it up a bit which erm
[PS4RP]
Yeah .
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comedy [UNCLEAR] the comedy of the situation [UNCLEAR] language certain elements of wit or [UNCLEAR] talking about the farmhouse language , farmyard .
[PS4RP]
Then you talk about erm how how the characters [UNCLEAR] that Constance and Kate have different sides [UNCLEAR] and then you can sort of .
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because they are both the same age are n't they ? they 're both you know , young women are n't they of marriageable age and have rather different functions .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] sort of , sort of [UNCLEAR] material . Just a bit the men and what [UNCLEAR] shown through them .
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Yes do we have much idea of men 's perception of women in the play .
[JSVPSUNK]
Yes .
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Very strong .
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[UNCLEAR] and erm
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So what is Tony 's perception of women ?
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Do n't know [UNCLEAR] .
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.
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[UNCLEAR] set about [UNCLEAR] it 's an idea or
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.
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women . O K that 's quite good . They get so in other words men
[JSVPSUNK]
.
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have quite a rough deal [UNCLEAR] on [UNCLEAR] . It shows [UNCLEAR] does n't it ? [UNCLEAR] you may want to discuss her too
[JSVPSUNK]
Yes .
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as a role model Er and what about the er marital relation of the Hardcastles [ANONYMIZATION] would you want to comment on them ?
[PS4RP]
Well we never really see much of them together except [UNCLEAR]
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Erm
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and then again at the end . They all come [UNCLEAR] .
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[UNCLEAR] .
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I suppose he 's got a bit of power [UNCLEAR] her at the end because he makes her give the jewels back [UNCLEAR] .
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But it 's a happy marriage , is n't it ? and does n't this fit in under the idea of sentimentality again .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] fit in with the portrayal [UNCLEAR] because
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Erm well insofar as he 's fond of his wife and what their marriage is based on she 's half the marriage is n't she [UNCLEAR] despite [UNCLEAR] .
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[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
You 've got to make it [UNCLEAR] the beginning and the end see what comes up [UNCLEAR] looked it up or anything , thought erm he 's showing her what the younger generation , you know , are erm treating each other is n't he in a romantic way erm there 's not much romantic practice in the older generation is there , a bit more affection based on intimate knowledge of each other that sort of thing .
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I know [UNCLEAR] very happy with them .
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[UNCLEAR] first reject it reject it .
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.
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[UNCLEAR] one about [UNCLEAR] .
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That one .
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Change the [UNCLEAR] slightly . [UNCLEAR] conquer erm she stoops to conquer and that implies , does n't it that women win through devious means
[JSVPSUNK]
I [UNCLEAR] putting in like [UNCLEAR] herself .
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Seemingly so .
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I do n't think she did because she made a choice to be next to , she wanted to find out [UNCLEAR] .
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So she
[JSVPSUNK]
She did it by herself more than anything .
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[UNCLEAR] he 's the one being humiliated not her
[JSVPSUNK]
Yeah .
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not her . [UNCLEAR] Erm it says in the [UNCLEAR] episode anyway [UNCLEAR] disguise of Kate Hardcastle [UNCLEAR] . [ANONYMIZATION] would you like to add anything or shall we stop there ?
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
Are you all actually all doing this essay , are you ?
[JSVPSUNK]
Yeah .
[PS4RK]
I think it 's quite interesting .
[PS4RL]
[UNCLEAR] I was gon na say about she stoops to conquer [UNCLEAR] she 's also doing what 's best because sh she [UNCLEAR] like , knows what she wants and [UNCLEAR] like that , erm and she 's trying to stop her father from getting him chucked out and stuff as well .
[PS4RK]
Yes . She kept saying
[PS4RL]
So sort of she 's yeah , she 's sort of sensible and she 's tactful as well , she 's being tactful by
[PS4RK]
diplomatic rather than strident and wanting her own way and doing it in a very obvious way . I suppose you 're right ,
[JSVPSUNK]
she sort of er avoiding a lot of erm friction
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] we 're going to do this anyway is a [UNCLEAR] way through indirectly rather than confrontational which might be a male aggressive sort of [UNCLEAR] behaviour .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] work out the things she does [UNCLEAR] if she did n't like [UNCLEAR] quite funny .
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[UNCLEAR] she was going to win either way .
[JSVPSUNK]
She [UNCLEAR] at the end as well by mentioning what he said to her as a maid .
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[UNCLEAR] she again sort of chased [UNCLEAR] through to [UNCLEAR] had a rerun of the thing and the truth was revealed . Fine , well I am sure it would make quite a good essay . I am quite in agreement with that . Could we leave that one there and [UNCLEAR] . Does anyone else want to er come and have a chat , how about a [UNCLEAR] .
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[UNCLEAR] .
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Beg your pardon .
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[UNCLEAR] hard . So [UNCLEAR]
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.
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Yeah .
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[UNCLEAR] an actual [UNCLEAR] .
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[UNCLEAR] .
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Did you say
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I probably made it up
[JSVPSUNK]
Did you say she stoops to conquer [UNCLEAR] the play about the [UNCLEAR] is an [UNCLEAR] which I agree .
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[UNCLEAR] the function of disguises and deception in [UNCLEAR] .
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.
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[UNCLEAR] that be [UNCLEAR] as white as [UNCLEAR] .
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[UNCLEAR] .
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Yeah .
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[UNCLEAR] money , power and sex , violence [UNCLEAR] . Right [ANONYMIZATION] kick us off will you
[PS4RM]
O K erm .
[PS4RK]
So what number is this ?
[PS4RM]
Number nine .
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Right .
[PS4RM]
Right erm [UNCLEAR] function of disguise and perception [UNCLEAR] class distinctions [UNCLEAR] the money [UNCLEAR] to [UNCLEAR] sort of how she feels [UNCLEAR] sort of like well bred [UNCLEAR] educated
[PS4RK]
That 's nice [UNCLEAR] .
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[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RM]
[UNCLEAR] .
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Right so [UNCLEAR] they are
[PS4RM]
Although it 's [UNCLEAR] that are [UNCLEAR] . Really stupid [UNCLEAR] they ca n't behave [UNCLEAR]
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Right .
[PS4RM]
[UNCLEAR] meant to and that is healthy [UNCLEAR] stand there [UNCLEAR] .
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So to get the point of this so [UNCLEAR] sometimes servants are the butt of humour in the play
[JSVPSUNK]
Yeah .
[PS4RK]
then the when they 're all parading around it 's [UNCLEAR] to behave , he tried to hold their hands , right . Erm the way that the so-called high class types treat them [UNCLEAR] in a way showing up the high classes as well is that right ?
[JSVPSUNK]
Yeah .
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O K [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RM]
[UNCLEAR] [ANONYMIZATION] was the servant [UNCLEAR] as though .
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Probably servants are thick , that 's [UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RM]
[UNCLEAR] and [ANONYMIZATION] [UNCLEAR] had control over Mrs [ANONYMIZATION] with his [UNCLEAR] stupid maid , whereas it 's sort of reversed , cos she has power over him cos she brings out [UNCLEAR] character .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
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[UNCLEAR] is quite easy [UNCLEAR] it . Giving her a second chance he having failed
[PS4RM]
Yeah , but he feels that he 's the one [UNCLEAR]
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[UNCLEAR] broadly
[JSVPSUNK]
.
[PS4RK]
I do n't believe that , erm that they could bring out that statement [UNCLEAR] goes kind of .
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[UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
That sounds quite nice . Erm
[JSVPSUNK]
.
[PS4RK]
So we 're looking to [ANONYMIZATION] there are n't we [UNCLEAR] only relate to inferior women . Er is that [UNCLEAR] truthful do you think human nature .
[PS4RM]
[UNCLEAR] behave [UNCLEAR] think of them as less than [UNCLEAR] have to [UNCLEAR] does n't it [UNCLEAR]
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
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People as a threat
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RM]
Yeah [UNCLEAR] .
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No but erm socially [UNCLEAR]
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[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
Alright that sounds very very reasonable
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
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[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RM]
It was the way he was erm [UNCLEAR] as well [UNCLEAR] out of his way to impress them [UNCLEAR] so but they just , well you [UNCLEAR] might help
[PS4RK]
So it 's a kind of competition between them
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] trying to show you Sir [UNCLEAR] trying to [UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
Right so listen , what about down [UNCLEAR] relating to your social position [UNCLEAR] other words you you gain credibility from who you as opposed to what you are
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
Yeah .
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[UNCLEAR] .
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[UNCLEAR] amount of money you have and that sort of thing [UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
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Right I think you could bring it , this out [UNCLEAR] sociological [UNCLEAR] this to you
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
You wo n't actually look at the fact that there 's a competition going on between the [UNCLEAR] erm [UNCLEAR] dismissing that you are actually [UNCLEAR] [ANONYMIZATION] the new keeper [UNCLEAR]
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
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[UNCLEAR] ages to get into [UNCLEAR]
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[UNCLEAR] .
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Right so [UNCLEAR]
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If you 'd like to just hang on a second I want to [UNCLEAR] this little [UNCLEAR] .
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Erm
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.
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[UNCLEAR] meet Miss [ANONYMIZATION] [UNCLEAR]
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[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] so just [UNCLEAR] the book on [UNCLEAR] she [UNCLEAR] putting forward and [UNCLEAR] that right
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[UNCLEAR] .
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Yeah
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[UNCLEAR]
[PS4RK]
[UNCLEAR] O K erm [UNCLEAR] . What are the jewels [UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[JSVPSUNK]
Erm , yeah [UNCLEAR] Mrs [ANONYMIZATION] she sort of has the power over [UNCLEAR] level [UNCLEAR] erm [UNCLEAR] if she [UNCLEAR] she sort of , it 's like she 's sort of keeping her on this level in the same household as her [UNCLEAR]
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
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Yeah
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
They 're not really [UNCLEAR] they 're really [UNCLEAR] . She wants to keep them [UNCLEAR] down [UNCLEAR] .
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[UNCLEAR] .
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Yeah .
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[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
We have [UNCLEAR] going on between them [UNCLEAR]
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[UNCLEAR] the house
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[UNCLEAR] tradition [UNCLEAR] .
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Yeah tradition yeah
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[UNCLEAR] traditional sort of [UNCLEAR] concentrates on [UNCLEAR] .
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[UNCLEAR] he [UNCLEAR] .
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[UNCLEAR] I ca n't really [UNCLEAR] certain [UNCLEAR]
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[UNCLEAR] .
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That 's [UNCLEAR] against [UNCLEAR] .
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[UNCLEAR] .
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O K [UNCLEAR]
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Erm [UNCLEAR]
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[UNCLEAR] .
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You have n't got any [UNCLEAR] smaller .
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[UNCLEAR] .
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[UNCLEAR] that 's all [UNCLEAR] .
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About quarter to twelve
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[UNCLEAR] then
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See how you 're fixed [UNCLEAR] I 'll be there anyway ,
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
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Yeah .
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[UNCLEAR] .
[PS4RK]
do n't worry .
[JSVPSUNK]
[UNCLEAR] .
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[UNCLEAR] Sir
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[UNCLEAR] .