[PS1VS]
Now presumably you 're doing this er personality analysis , as part of trying to work out who you are and where you 're going . Is that right ?
WMN: G3Y_171
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[PS1VT]
That 's right .
[PS1VS]
Yeah . Okay . Well that 's fine . That 's what we normally use it for and erm what I 'm going to do if that 's okay is I , I 'll describe the erm the actual theory to you
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
and get you to self estimate er where you come on it
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
you see . And I 've got a little chart that I 'll give you to do that on .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
And then erm we 'll have three readings , really , of erm where you come
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
on the chart . One of which is this erm estimate that you 'll do now .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
And then you 've filled in a works situations
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
questionnaire , and that gives us another reading .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
And then there 's the proper questionnaire and I 've scored that up .
[PS1VT]
Right .
[PS1VS]
So we get three readings . Okay ? And then erm we work out erm a best fit
[PS1VT]
Right .
[PS1VS]
er you know so far as we can get that erm and I 'll then give you a description of how the theory er predicts your er preferences for behaving in particular ways , would work out .
[PS1VT]
Mhm .
[PS1VS]
And you can read that and we can have a bit of a discussion about that
[PS1VT]
Mhm .
[PS1VS]
to see if you think it 's appropriate and
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
accurate or not . Erm and basically er the , the reason for doing it that way is that erm , I do n't want to set up a situation where erm I 'm some sort of expert and I er this is not a matching process , okay ?
[PS1VT]
No . No .
[PS1VS]
It it 's really to give you er whatever insights you can get from this particular theory , erm about the way in which your , your personality works
[PS1VT]
Right .
[PS1VS]
so that then you can use that er to make er a better career decision .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
And indeed actually it 's quite interesting anyway for all sorts of
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
er applications . Erm but the idea is that it should be , very much be something which you erm er you know the , the estimate and so on is , is something which you 've contributed to
[PS1VT]
Yeah .
[PS1VS]
rather than have imposed on you by somebody else . Because th the key thing is that you should be more in charge , not that you should be receiving erm some statement from an expert which then determines what happens , you know ?
[PS1VT]
Right .
[PS1VS]
So it 's that sort of process .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Does that sound okay ?
[PS1VT]
That 's fine . That 's fine .
[PS1VS]
Good . Okay . Well erm I 'll give you the er little chart here . Now erm oh you 've got a pen . Excellent . Erm if you , if you , if we just er look at that for a moment .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
The way it works is that the theory , the theory actually erm er has four dimensions .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
That 's why there are four of those . And what we 'll do is I 'll tell you er what each dimension consists of . And the idea is that that 's the midpoint and there 's a one to ten scale going each way .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
And erm you work out whether your preference is very strongly this way or a bit this way or a bit that way .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
And just put a mark on the line to indicate the strength of the preference . Does that sound okay ?
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Right . Well let me explain briefly th th the overall structure of the theory . All personality theories divide personality up into dimensions .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Erm this one has four dimensions . Sometimes they have about twenty .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Erm and the theories differ , in terms of what the dimensions are called , and what it consists of . And erm this theory has four dimensions , and each dimension consists of two polar opposite types of behaviour . And the theory is that every individual has an innate inborn preference for behaving at one end or the other .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Okay ? Er now it 's important to get the idea of what preference means in this context . It is not an exclusive predisposition .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
So it does n't mean to say that you only behave at one end or the other . Erm in fact life requires everybody to behave at both ends .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
But the theory is that there 's a biologically inherited preference .
[PS1VT]
Right . Mm .
[PS1VS]
Now the ex the analogy which is used , to , to sort of explain this a bit further , is , is with handedness . Are you right or left handed ?
[PS1VT]
Right handed .
[PS1VS]
Okay . So that means , in , in the analogy that your right hand is your preferred hand . Okay . Erm have you ever tried to write your name and address with your left hand ?
[PS1VT]
Yes and I was hopeless at it .
[PS1VS]
Hopeless . How did you feel while you were trying ?
[PS1VT]
Er really strange actually .
[PS1VS]
Mm .
[PS1VT]
I felt that I was using a part of me that was n't used to functioning and I 've just recently started juggling
[PS1VS]
Oh really . Yes .
[PS1VT]
and er I have a real problem with using my left hand .
[PS1VS]
Oh interesting . Because erm the , the erm what usually people say is that erm if you use your non-preferred area in the psychological sense , then it 's very hard work because you have n't got the same degree of control as you have in the other
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
areas . So to achieve a , a sort of given result you have to work much harder . Erm and usually it feels very awkward .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
It does n't feel comfortable at all . Erm but if you persist you get better .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
And you know normally with the handedness , you do n't use your left hand unless you break your right wrist or something .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
But in the psychological area you do have to use it , you know [UNCLEAR] quite a lot of the time .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Erm but you should be able to improve . Er you know , but none the less there is this preference . That 's the idea really .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Okay so that 's the idea of preference .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Now there are , there 's one preference on each of the four dimensions . Er and that means that there are sixteen different preference combinations y you know that
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
are possible . Erm and er the other thing about it is that although we have to look at , in order to discover the preference , we have to look at each dimension as a discrete entity , once you 've found the preferences , they actually have a dynamic relationship with each other .
[PS1VT]
Right . Yeah .
[PS1VS]
And the description which I 'll give you allows for that . And also when we , when we 've worked out the best fit preference , I 'll explain a bit more about how the dynamic relationship
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
works . Okay ?
[PS1VT]
Okay .
[PS1VS]
Right . So that 's , that 's the end of the overview . So shall we start trying to work out what the preferences
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
are ? Now the first dimension is extrovert and introvert . Ca
[PS1VT]
Yeah .
[PS1VS]
can you write on this erm extrovert on the left hand end where the dots are and introvert on the other end . [UNCLEAR] Right . Now I 'm sure you 've heard of these terms before .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Erm but I think the important thing is that Jung on whom this er particular theory it 's based on his
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
theories . Erm he was the person who invented those terms . And of course he meant something probably rather different from what the popular meaning is . So it 's important to define it really . This , this dimension is about er where you prefer to focus your attention and where you get your psychological energy from . Okay ?
[PS1VT]
Oh right . Yes .
[PS1VS]
And that 's what this dimension 's about . And the erm extroverts are people who prefer to focus outside themselves , on the world of people and things . The introverts prefer to focus on their own inner world , of hopes , dreams , fears , aspirations , ideas . Whatever 's inside . Now if I give you an example of a bit of behaviour where erm a situation and , and er give you an idea of how introverts and extroverts would behave in that area , that may help you to work out which you think you are . Say you 're with a group of students and erm you 're sitting round drinking coffee one morning , and the sun 's shining . And somebody says , let's go to Scarborough for the day . You know it 's a terrific day , let's go to the seaside . Erm now the extroverts preferred response , to that , is an instantaneous reaction , which they share . Oh terrific idea . Yes . I 'll go and get my fishing rod .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Or , oh no . I ca n't stand the seaside . Could n't we go to the North York Moors
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
instead . Right so instantaneous [UNCLEAR] . Now introverted people hate being asked to make instantaneous reactions . They actually want to think about it . Whatever it is , they want to think about it . Erm and then , they may share .
[PS1VT]
Right .
[PS1VS]
Or they may not . Erm now what they say about erm extroverts is that , if you do n't know what an extrovert thinks , you have n't listened . She will have told you . Er if you do n't know what an introvert thinks , it 's because you have n't asked her .
[PS1VT]
Yeah .
[PS1VS]
Okay so there is a difference in , in , in that way . Erm and I told you how the extroverts would behave . Now an extreme introvert , might be er sort of case you know , you 're , you 're erm er cutting up the sandwiches or whatever preparations you 've got to do and so on . Er and you then , you get to the time when you 're all going to get in the car and go off . And erm the er this particular person just is n't there .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Well they 've decided they 're not gon na go . They have n't actually told anybody . Er er and they 've just disappeared .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Erm a less introverted erm er response would be , half way through the preparations to say , well you know actually I 'm , I do n't really think I can come . I mean I 've got this person to see , or this essay
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
to write , or something to buy in town , or whatever you know
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
They thought it over and they 've worked out , and they 're not gon na come .
[PS1VT]
Right .
[PS1VS]
Now of course these sort of situations do cause a few problems , because , or can do , because erm the extroverts expect everybody to share , you see . Erm and of course if you had half a dozen students , and two of them were extroverts , and they both wanted to go , and they both said , Yeah . Terrific idea . And maybe the other four would n't like it at all . But if
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
they were n't actually saying anything , then probably the plan would sort of go ahead and , and , and then you might find that you know half of you did n't actually go . Erm the other thing about extroverts and introverts is that erm , extroverts really like to do their thinking er by er putting out their point of view , and getting everybody else 's point of view out , and , and looking at it . But for introverts , really , thinking is done in here , you know . And they do n't , they 're not so keen on , on the sharing really . Erm I mean does that give you an idea of which
[PS1VT]
Yeah yeah
[PS1VS]
way you go . Okay . Yeah . Sorry , do you wan na stick down .
[PS1VT]
Right .
[PS1VS]
Mm . You were gon na say something .
[PS1VT]
Is it just , well I was j er I mean I find it hard cos I suppose everybody to some extent , in the , the extent to which they live in their own house ,
[PS1VS]
Mm .
[PS1VT]
are introverted . If you see
[PS1VS]
Right .
[PS1VT]
what I mean .
[PS1VS]
Yeah .
[PS1VT]
I mean I am just as much as anybody else . But I think naturally with
[PS1VS]
Mm .
[PS1VT]
the sort of analogy with going to
[PS1VS]
Yes .
[PS1VT]
Scarborough I think I 'm much more extrovert .
[PS1VS]
Okay . Yeah right .
[PS1VT]
And I think I will have come out that way on the thing .
[PS1VS]
[PS1VT]
Do I put a cross ?
[PS1VS]
Yes . A cross would do fine . Right , okay , the next one is sensing and intuition . Sensing on the left and intuition on the right . Okay . Right . Now this one is about erm how you prefer to take in information , how you prefer to understand things . It 's about perception .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Now the sensing person , prefers to use her five senses to perceive what 's going on about her . And prefers to concentrate on present concrete reality . What she can actually see , touch , smell , hear , taste .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
If she ca n't see it , touch it , smell it , hear it , taste it , it does n't exist . That 's a bit extreme but it gives you the idea . Now the intuitive person on the other hand prefers to use her sixth sense . And erm prefers to focus on future possibilities rather on present reality .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
So it 's not erm , what exactly is the nature of this relationship ? it 's , how might it develop , what might it become ? Or not , exactly what is this thing I 've got here and what can I use it for now ? How might it be changed ? What other uses might it have . Erm intuitive people have inspirations and hunches which they trust whereas sensing people are pretty mistrustful of inspiration . And they do n't like intuitive leaps which intuitive people make . Sometimes they wo n't , intuitive people ca n't actually tell you exactly how they 've arrived at this perception , they 've just got it . Er and sensing people find that ex extremely odd
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
and erm really very unsatisfactory .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Erm and the sensing people want a step by step logical statement of how somebody has reached erm
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
you know a particular conclusion . Erm I once , talking to somebody about this and er he said erm , well he said I think I must be an intuitive because I 've never let the facts get in the way of a good idea .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Now for er sensing people it 's probably the other way round .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
The ideas have to come from the facts .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Do you do you have a
[PS1VT]
Yeah .
[PS1VS]
Okay , right . Fine . Jolly good . Next one . Erm next one is thinking on the left
[PS1VT]
Mm . Right .
[PS1VS]
and no sorry just thinking .
[PS1VT]
Oh .
[PS1VS]
and erm feeling on the right .
[PS1VT]
Feeling ?
[PS1VS]
Yeah feeling . Now those terms are a bit peculiar . You always get trouble with them in psychological tests , cos you either [UNCLEAR] use terms which nobody knows what they mean , or you use terms which people have meanings for and that 's not what you actually mean by them . And feeling does n't refer to emotion as such . This dimension is about erm how you prefer to make decisions . You 've perceived something you 've now got to decide what you 're going to do or whether you 're going to do anything . And the difference between the two is in terms of the material you prefer to work with . And the er it 's all rational , so it 's what sort of material do you prefer to exercise your rationality on . And the thinking people prefer to use impersonal objective material .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Whereas the feeling people prefer subjective personal
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
material . So you 've go got a situation where if somebody wants to change something they 're actually , you know maybe it 's something you do in a job or something like this , and somebody says we , we really ought to change this . Or it might be something sort of domestic like maybe you go shopping every same day every week or something . Erm and somebody says well you , you know , you should change that . Erm then the thinking person 's sort of preferred response is to erm seek a tight definition of what the change actually is . Erm so they 'd wan na know well you know if it 's a shopping change then erm , do you want me to change the day ? Do you want me to change what I buy , do you want me to change the time I do it ? Do you want me to change the place I go to ? What exactly is it that
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
you 're , you 're , you 're saying that I 've got to do ? Erm and how 'll that effect what went on before . It may be there 's some sort of sequence to these , this activity . Erm and how does it effect what comes after ? So it 's a very logical impersonal sort of approach .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Okay ? Now the feeling person on the other hand faced with this sort of suggestion would immediately start saying , well erm why are we going to do this ? Er who for whom is it a benefit ? Or who sees meaning in this change ? For whom is it of value ? Is it going to benefit the shop keeper ? Me the , the customer ? Or you , some of the other people maybe on whose behalf I buy things ?
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Or , you know , who , who is going to benefit from it ? And how are the people in it ? So , so really you 're looking at the values in it you see
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
which are essentially subjective and also the people , how are the people who are affected by this , actually going to feel about it ? You know , are they actually going to erm er see it as a positive er step ? Or are they gon na see it as negative and disruptive ? And maybe some people will see one way and some people see it another way . But er er concentrating on the personal , the subjective .
[PS1VT]
Mm . Yeah .
[PS1VS]
Do you do you get an idea ?
[PS1VT]
Yeah .
[PS1VS]
Okay stick , stick something down there . Right . Good . And the , now last one is judging , on the left and perceiving on the right . And this is really about your erm your lifestyle , your pre preferred lifestyle . How much planning you actually like to have in your life . Now the erm judging people want everything to be , well they prefer to have everything cut and dried , sorted out , closed off , decided . They do n't like ambiguity or loose ends . At all . The perceiving people on the other hand , want to be flexible , spontaneous , and responsive .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
So if , if they , if everything 's planned out , it 's a real straitjacket for them . And they do n't like it .
[PS1VT]
Yeah .
[PS1VS]
Erm now if you think of organizing a party , is quite a useful example of this . Now judging people do n't like loose ends , and get worried if things are not being organized . Okay . So usually they do the organizing . Er the perceiving people do n't , it does n't worry them very much , they 'll do it all at the last minute and get it sorted out somehow . Erm so if you 've got a judging person and they 're having a party , then they will , they will organize it a fortnight in advance . And they will erm work out the guest list in a balanced way , according to whatever they want to happen . And erm er they will s think about whether they 've got enough , be enough room for the number of people . Whether they 've got enough chairs . Where the drink 's coming from , how much it 's gon na be . Same thing for the food . If there are gon na be any activities then if you got a really extreme judging person , on the day , there 'll be , you know , sharpened pencils , and sheets of paper , and rules for whatever games are going to be paid . Now the perceiving person on the other hand , would erm say , about midday , well I think I 'll have a party tonight shall we ?
[PS1VT]
[PS1VS]
Erm , how are you gon na get everybody there ? Well we 'll see whose around , and tell them , and they can invite a few of their friends , and we 'll see how it goes . What about the drink ? Oh tell everybody to bring a bottle .
[PS1VT]
[PS1VS]
Er what are we actually gon na do ? Well we 'll see . I mean when people come , see who knows any good games , and they can organize them . You know . Er so it 's all , all frightfully open-ended , and flexible and so on and
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
quite different . And , and , and the judging person invests a lot of effort in the actual organization . And they get actually pretty upset if only half the people come . Because you know , there 's all this stuff ready and so on . Or if twice as many people come , they get upset too , because they have n't got enough . Whereas the perceiving person is much mm less phased by this and says , oh well there are lots of people , that 's nice . I do n't know half of these people . I 've lots of new people I can meet . Or erm if only half the people come , well that 's fine we can have a much more sort of intimate evening , and erm actually there 'll be lots of food for everybody wo n't there ? You know .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
So they 're much more , more flexible about
[PS1VT]
Yeah .
[PS1VS]
things . And , and , the judging people , their ideal event is one which goes exactly to plan . Whereas for the perceiving people , that 's probably pretty boring .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Okay ?
[PS1VT]
Yeah . I can work
[PS1VS]
Oh pretty , pretty far down that
[PS1VT]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS1VS]
track . Okay . Right . Let's have a look . Erm now you get erm a letter for each of the preferences . That 's the way erm they do it . And you ca n't have I . It 's usually the , the first letter but
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
you ca n't have I , because I for introvert
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
so it 's N for intuitive . N , P for perceive . Right . Now we 'll have a look at the erm the work situations one . You may remember , you , you can see what 's going on now . That 's extrovert , sensing , thinking and judging ,
[PS1VT]
Yes .
[PS1VS]
and so on you see . An and I simply add the ticks and see which comes out .
[PS1VT]
Yeah .
[PS1VS]
And it comes out the same .
[PS1VT]
Yeah .
[PS1VS]
So that 's fairly straightforward . Erm this is not very accurate .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
And it 's not a fine discriminator . Erm but in fact certainly those three you 've got a very clear you know
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
sort of six difference is not much on the other side [UNCLEAR]
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
anything on that [UNCLEAR] . Now this one is a bit closer .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Erm but it 's still , still reasonably clear and then we 've got this which is erm it 's all er constructed so that there 's a weighted score
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
you see so you actually get that . Er and that 's the same again so we have n't got any problems I do n't think about the fit .
[PS1VT]
That 's from the questionnaire ?
[PS1VS]
Yes it is .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
And in fact it 's interesting that the erm the extrovert is actually quite high
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
on that . Peop people say that , in fact all your scores are quite high while P is the , actually that 's rather , rather
[PS1VT]
That 's yeah
[PS1VS]
different from that is n't it ? And those are the same
[PS1VT]
Well I think it yeah because when I was filling in th
[PS1VS]
Yeah .
[PS1VT]
I , I mean there were a lot of questions like you know does
[PS1VS]
[PS1VT]
the idea of making
[PS1VS]
Yeah .
[PS1VT]
a list for things [UNCLEAR]
[PS1VS]
Oh yes .
[PS1VT]
appeal to you . Those sorts of questions . And it does n't appeal to me but I know that I should do it . And I , I know that I 'm forced to do it . An and s s so sometimes I think my sense of obligation
[PS1VS]
Yes ah .
[PS1VT]
carries me so . But whereas when you were talking about it then I mean when I think about it
[PS1VS]
It 's quite obvious that 's what you 're most comfortable doing .
[PS1VT]
I resist it . But yeah .
[PS1VS]
Yes . Well you see what happens is that , erm you , you may have a preference but you learn that you 've got to use this other behaviour
[PS1VT]
Mm . Yeah .
[PS1VS]
an and so you do .
[PS1VT]
Yeah .
[PS1VS]
You know . But that does n't alter th the fact that your preference is the other way .
[PS1VT]
Yeah .
[PS1VS]
And in fact it 's quite interesting sort of analysis this because erm I , I actually think that the erm the best er well it helps you if you know where your preference is , because if , if then you 're behaving in the other area then you know that that 's not re your preference
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
and therefore if it 's a bit difficult . Well you know it 's a bit difficult and you know why it 's difficult
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
but you can do it because you know you can go back home as it were in to the other area . Whereas if you think well you know this is , I 'm doing this but I do n't know whether this is me and I do n't feel very comfortable with it and all that
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
it , it 's actually much more difficult to do it .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Erm so in a way knowing your preference , does n't mean that you ca n't do this .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Or that you do n't . Er and perhaps er you know you can have a role where maybe you 've got ta make decisions and alright you do it . You know . Erm but it makes it easier in some
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
ways . Erm and , and it sort of explains to you what 's happening .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Which , which can be quite , quite useful .
[PS1VT]
Yeah .
[PS1VS]
Erm . Okay . So I 'll give you the , the , the description . Erm .
[PS1VT]
Is that quite a high score there ? I mean [UNCLEAR]
[PS1VS]
Oh yes .
[PS1VT]
some of them are quite
[PS1VS]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS1VT]
definitely in one .
[PS1VS]
Well the thing is , the interesting thing about this is of course is what we 're actually dealing with is not erm well in a sense er not , not erm your actual preference , which according to the erm theory is unchangeable . You
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
know it 's , it 's sort of in you . Sort of genetically inherited . Erm but whether it actually erm is realized in practical behaviour
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
is another matter . Just like the sort of nature nurture argument
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
in biology . You know you might have a gene which says well you 'll grow to be six foot , but if you 're not fed properly
[PS1VT]
Yeah .
[PS1VS]
then it wo n't happen .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
So and it 's the same thing with the preferences .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
So in fact a high score is , is quite good because it means that you recognize what your preferences actually are .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
You know . So it does n't mean , you know , a higher score on perceiving does n't mean that you er necessarily very seldom er exhibit judging behaviour . You might exhibit quite a lot of judging behaviour , but it feels peculiar to you an and you know it 's an effort . And so you 're quite clear that your , your preference is perceiving .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
It does n't actually mean necessarily erm how you behave .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
If you see what I mean . Cos Jung had this idea that the whole the whole of life was a journey towards the discovery of what he called the real self .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Now that 's a bit of an elusive concept really but none the less I think people have er a sort of idea that there is a real them
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
somewhere , and that this probably gets pulled about
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
by relationships , by external events , by roles which they take on . And erm therefore it 's quite a real thing to a lot of people . And what the , this preference thing is after , is describing the real self .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
There 's also er I mean I think there are , well there are probably lots of selves but , but erm er there 's the real self . The sort of inner self if you like erm although that 's expressed in , in behaviour quite often . And then there is how you behave , which may not be the same thing as the real self . And then there 's an idealized self . The sort of
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
person you might like to be but actually unfortunately are n't . You know .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
And the real self 's probably somewhere between the behaving self and the idealized
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
self , you know . Erm well let me find this , fish this out for you and er you can er have a look at this and see what you think . Okay .
[PS1VT]
Thanks .
[PS1VS]
Read that and see whether you think it 's er accurate or which bits of it click and which bits of it do n't .
[PS1VT]
Mm . Most , most of it 's true .
[PS1VS]
Yeah . Okay . Well let me explain the erm oh that 's , that 's a description on the back . Can I have that back for a minute and I 'll just explain one of the erm a bit more of the structure of it . E N F P . Now the , the theory erm is that there are four mental functions in the middle here . And the extrovert and introvert , and judging and perceiving are sort of orientations . So if you imagine that erm you 're a motor vehicle alright ? And the E I and the J and the P are if you like sort of part of the bodywork which decides whether you 're a sports car or a heavy goods
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
vehicle or whatever . But the engine that actually drives you
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
is these four mental faculties okay ? Erm or mental functions . Now one of these is dominant okay ? And that 's , in your case , that 's that one . And then the other one you then have an auxiliary or second one . And those are the two preferences
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
okay ? And then the other two erm , less preferred areas , erm the least preferred is opposite the erm number one , the most preferred , and the third one is opposite the second one . Now thi this has some implications for decision making .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
If , if you actually , an and a career decision is one type of decision . Erm if , if you want a good decision you 've got ta use all four mental functions .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
But the preference theory suggests that erm you will use them in order of preference . So er if you 've got a er a problem , say the career , what are you going to do with yourself ? Well the first thing you do is start thinking of lots of possibilities you see . And erm you get all these possibilities erm set out , and then you use your feeling judgement to er cut them down .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Er you say , well you know alright there are all these things I could do but erm er what , where do I think I re really want to work ? I mean where would it be worthwhile for me to work ? You know . What do I what is so important to me that I want to spend all this time on it ? You know , how does this fit with my value system ? So you 'd use
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
your value system to actually erm fine down the number of possibilities . Now the danger is for N F people that they do n't use the S and the T. And according to the theory you would then , after you 'd used the N and the F you 'd then start to use the T which is the sort of logical thing . You 'd say well what am I trained to do ? What sort of background have I got ? What skills have I got ? Do I need training to do this ?
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
And then the S , the senses , the last
[PS1VT]
[PS1VS]
erm is really about erm well are there any jobs in this ? An and do people actually get paid to do it ? And what sort of activities do they actually engage in ?
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
What is the nature of the experience of somebody who actually does this ?
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
And if N Fs are not careful , they 've got this terrific sort of value laden possibilities idea
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
which is a bit vague and erm you know er an and they never get to well what are the skills ? And where are the jobs ? And , and what actually do you do day to day ? I mean it may , may fit your values and it may have lots of possibilities but what are actually gon na be doing and will you actually be capable of it or , or enjoy it or whatever . So you need all four an and it 's not a criticism to start with the N and the F. That 's how you are and that 's how you have to start . I mean it 's no good you starting on the S and the T. You 'd get bored with it before you 'd , you know , so but you need to bring the others in .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
That 's , that 's the thing .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
So erm you know that 's th what I 'm really talking about is more a question of the process of erm career choice , than it is saying what you should do .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Erm the there is something which I suppose can be said about what you should do , if you 're an N F and a , and a , an a dominant intuitive . By the way this tells you what your , you see your dominant is intuition and then with feeling [UNCLEAR] .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Erm now er if intuition is the dominant thing and you 're an extrovert , then you erm really need situations er where you can change things . Where you can actually erm make things change .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Erm and if you 're a er an intuitive feeling person , then really it 's crucial that your value system is accommodated in what you do .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
You know that makes a huge difference really .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Erm so that 's very important . Erm hmm yeah , yeah . Well that 's about it I think . Erm what are you actually thinking about doing anyway ?
[PS1VT]
[PS1VS]
Erm or have n't you got that far yet ?
[PS1VT]
Well I think I 've got a bit stuck on the N and the F actually .
[PS1VS]
I see . So we want some S and T [UNCLEAR] .
[PS1VT]
We do yeah . No well I 've just had erm an [UNCLEAR] interview and erm really just exploring the things that I myself thought of trying
[PS1VS]
Yeah .
[PS1VT]
Probably erm I think I 'll , I 'll do [UNCLEAR] on the [UNCLEAR]
[PS1VS]
Oh yeah . Yeah mm mm .
[PS1VT]
And do that for a while as well as some , some voluntary work . That [UNCLEAR] what I was thinking of doing for next year . It 's really , I mean next year I was sort of quite co I 'm quite committed to not having a year off so much as just exploring things and that 's what
[PS1VS]
Right .
[PS1VT]
what erm Heather ?
[PS1VS]
Yes Heather [ANONYMIZATION] yeah .
[PS1VT]
Yes that 's what she said . She said you jus
[PS1VS]
Mm .
[PS1VT]
cos I have n't , like she perceived that I was very kind of lost really . And you know did n't know enough about the different areas of work that I was interested in . And she said oh the best thing to do is just sort of travel for a bit an
[PS1VS]
Mm .
[PS1VT]
not travel aimlessly , but travel with a purpose .
[PS1VS]
Mm .
[PS1VT]
An and find out as much as possible an and then erm try and get on to something for the year after . For nineteen ninety [UNCLEAR] .
[PS1VS]
Yes well you 'll need to do some S and T you see , erm before you go off on your travels .
[PS1VT]
That 's it [UNCLEAR] .
[PS1VS]
Other otherwise you really wo n't know what you 're coming back to so .
[PS1VT]
Well exactly . No I could n't face that I do n't think . I 've got to do something .
[PS1VS]
Right .
[PS1VT]
Well that 's what I 'm , I 'm doing here and
[PS1VS]
Yes . Trying to work , work
[PS1VT]
Yeah .
[PS1VS]
things out . Yes .
[PS1VT]
Cos it , it 's true that I resist it . You know I mean I did n't want to come today . I resist
[PS1VS]
No no .
[PS1VT]
the sort of process .
[PS1VS]
Yes , yes .
[PS1VT]
You know I just think that I should be able to get a job just like that and
[PS1VS]
Yes yes . Well of course erm sometimes you can . But , but it is , it is dangerous because of course maybe it does n't work . Erm and especially
[PS1VT]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS1VS]
in the current climate you see it 's also erm interesting because of course this , this , this sort of theory depends who 's interviewing you . I i if , if , if they 're erm an intuitive feeling person , then they may think that 's okay . Er but if they 're a sensing thinking person they will find it almost totally incomprehensible , that you 've been so lax as not to have actually worked out in detail erm you know what their job is ? And erm why you want it ? And why you , why it fits ? You know why they should employ you given you know what are your skills
[PS1VT]
Yeah .
[PS1VS]
and what are your this and what are your that . An and really even the N F recruiters will er want some of that . [UNCLEAR]
[PS1VT]
Well I think for them to be in , in management , top management positions a lot of them they 'd have to be pretty sensing and thinking before well I do I mean I think there 's
[PS1VS]
Yeah , yeah , yeah .
[PS1VT]
room for my sort of personality in most careers , but to some extent it 's got to be you know balanced and
[PS1VS]
Yes you 've , you 've got to do the lot you see . So , so you need to get
[PS1VT]
[PS1VS]
on to the S T bit . I mean have you done the erm any of these other things ? I mean you 've done the personality thing . Er if you 've seen , have you seen this wherever it is . Erm oh it 's over there . The erm planning your future thing or not ? No , no , no . Well it does n't matter anyway .
[PS1VT]
Erm .
[PS1VS]
This thing ?
[PS1VT]
Oh yes . I 've got that .
[PS1VS]
You 've got that ?
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
You 've got that , you 've got that . Right , you 've got that .
[PS1VT]
Yeah . Now I 'm , I am trying to work through it methodically actually .
[PS1VS]
Yeah , yeah . Yeah , yeah . Okay . Well erm
[PS1VT]
This has been quite helpful though . I do feel that
[PS1VS]
Cos what you 've done then is that .
[PS1VT]
Mm . I 've done the , I 'm just in the middle of the skills one .
[PS1VS]
Oh are you ? Yes oh jolly good . Yes .
[PS1VT]
Yes . That 's quite interesting .
[PS1VS]
Well it is because that actually does , with the pie chart , lead you into sort of chunks of work area
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
which you know then you can explore a bit .
[PS1VT]
What comes across in both my interests and any skills which is n't really reconcilable with this I do n't think is that erm I 've got sort of , because of , I think it 's cos of my academic experience cos I did an arts degree with a lot of research and stuff , is that I , I like researching , data collecting , processing information . Which is n't really I mean I do n't think [UNCLEAR]
[PS1VS]
Not an N Fs thing .
[PS1VT]
Not really no .
[PS1VS]
No it is n't . Erm well you have to sort of decide I suppose erm which way you wan na go .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
You know . Although you see erm as we 've been suggesting any project requires that . You know you , you , you need to be doing some of that . It , it 's just a question of I suppose whether you do it or you get other people to do it or or what . You know but , but probably to start with whatever you 're gon na have to do you 're gon na have to do . And I think the S and T thing is , is erm it 's very good to have developed skills in those areas . Wher it 's a question of where you sort of harness them really though is n't it ?
[PS1VT]
Well it 's erm I mean Helen suggested
[PS1VS]
Mm .
[PS1VT]
librarianship an and it was
[PS1VS]
Mm .
[PS1VT]
something which , that interested me but I do think I 'll find it boring or something .
[PS1VS]
Yes well no this would n't necessarily
[PS1VT]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS1VS]
support that . Erm it , it would depend I suppose erm well the N F people they want to be able to change things you see . You ca n't change things much in a library .
[PS1VT]
No .
[PS1VS]
Erm er if they 're , if they 're introverts , then it 's alright changing things just by changing people 's perception . So erm you know you , you , you [UNCLEAR] I mean I 'm I N F J and so it 's alright for me to think I 've changed your thinking . Whether you actually do anything about it is up to you you know
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
so I , I mean I suppose in a sense it would be good if you did actually change something but that 's not entirely necessary for me . If , if , if it 's given you a slightly different slant on it , and you 're thinking has changed . In some way . Then that 's okay for me . Now if I was an extrovert , it would n't actually be enough . I , I , I would want actually to see real results you see from erm the change . That you had actually shifted from this to that , and you went off and did whatever it was .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
You know . I th I think you probably need a bit more er in terms of , of , of , of results . Erm although you see you could get that in librarianship . If erm you , you might erm in time er er you know become er the , the librarian or something . Well then you 're , you 're managing the thing , and you 're actually responsible for trying to work out which way it 's going .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
You see . So in a sense that might come later on . So you might find that er a and in , in some ways it 's rather interesting , because your S and T skills might get you the job . In a sense , you know , you would n't get it without them . Erm but what 's needed for later on , might be the N and the F. Because erm you know you ca n't manage people without some consideration for er for their , their views and how things affect them and so on . Erm and you need to look at the big picture .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
Yeah it 's no good getting bogged down in the detail . So I suppose whatever area you went into , erm you might find it a bit frustrating to start with , because you were n't looking at the big picture .
[PS1VT]
Well I think that , that my problem is , you know like , [UNCLEAR] Cos I did do the P G C S [UNCLEAR]
[PS1VS]
Oh of course you did . You came and talked to me
[PS1VT]
Yeah .
[PS1VS]
about it then did n't you once ?
[PS1VT]
And that was my problem with it was that I was in much [UNCLEAR] in terms of being able to go into the classroom an and talk to the kids and have a really good relationship with the teachers and things . And I discovered that
[PS1VS]
And it did n't work out .
[PS1VT]
to actually create the right learning environment for them , there were a thousand little details that I had to attend to , like had I planned my lesson right , was I progressing in the right way round the classroom , had I remembered to chase up certain people 's homework , and stuff . And that I find incredibly difficult . You know it was a real effort for me to remember all those things . Because I am so kind of , you know I 've got ideas coming in and out of my head all the time . But you know [UNCLEAR] I still think that I 'm drawn towards that sort of teaching , performing that kind of role erm and that would n't be fulfilled by librarianship at all .
[PS1VS]
No .
[PS1VT]
But I do n't think it would do me any harm to develop some more organizational skills because mos most jobs require them .
[PS1VS]
Yes .
[PS1VT]
You know I do n't think you can get by without them really . You know I mean you have to have time management skills to have a reasonably
[PS1VS]
Well you do do n't you ? Yes [UNCLEAR]
[PS1VT]
successful life , do n't you ? I mean it 's no use being
[PS1VS]
Yes , that 's right , that 's right .
[PS1VT]
I mean [UNCLEAR] as I said when I was filling in the questionnaire I was thinking well this , really this is my preference and you know I 'd much rather be in a job that allowed me some flexibility . You know rather than down to the line planning for every single moment of the day .
[PS1VS]
[UNCLEAR]
[PS1VT]
But having said that I ca n't see a job where you can just kind of swan in and you know and think about a million different things in one day or whatever . So you know I mean I su I suppose a lo [UNCLEAR] the questionnaire seemed to concentrate very much on how you were outside work . And I mean I su everyone has to resign themselves I think to some extent but the fact that [UNCLEAR] they are playing a role within their work situation .
[PS1VS]
Right .
[PS1VT]
And they ca n't allow their personality free expression [UNCLEAR] . I mean that 's what another thing I found very hard about teaching . And the teachers commented on it . They said that I was too much of myself . You know I had to assume this more detached role . From the kids .
[PS1VS]
Yeah . Yeah . Well it , it , teaching has a lot of er er problems with that really because it 's , it 's , it 's playing a role . I mean it 's acting , teaching more or less .
[PS1VT]
Yeah .
[PS1VS]
And you know and you , you , you got to have , got ta get , you know , you have to get cross with them if they misbehave or whatever because otherwise there is n't any order in the place .
[PS1VT]
Mm .
[PS1VS]
An an and you know those sorts of things have to go on . Erm I 'm just trying to think what other sorts of jobs you might be interested in .
[PS1VT]
I think anything with writing . I mean that 's come up again and again . Journalism and that kind of thing .
[PS1VS]
Yes . Yeah yeah . But there 's a lot of S T in journalism is n't there ? Quite a lot of S. You 've got ta do your , you know , go out and sit in the county court and wait for something exciting to happen [UNCLEAR]
[PS1VT]
Well especially again when you 're , when you 're training .
[PS1VS]
Well that 's the thing you see I think you 're , you 're , you know that 's gon na be the problem that you 're , you 're